From: jeremyrh.geo on
On May 28, 11:50 am, "William Black" <william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
> "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatth...(a)houston.rr.com> wrote in messagenews:465a64b0$0$10100$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> > William Black wrote:
>
> >> "Magda" <magda(a)eu> wrote in message
> >>news:efej53hrpbafjqmqa7op2ekbbd6s8u12ut(a)4ax.com...
>
> >>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 17:02:09 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William Black"
> >>><william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> arranged some electrons, so they looked
> >>>like this:
>
> >>>... My wife needs a Schengen visa to visit Schengen countries.
>
> >>>The wife of a french man won't need it.
>
> >>>... She has a UK residential visa.
>
> >>>Sign the Schengen agreements!
>
> >>>(Like that's gonna happen in my lifetime...)
>
> >> I wish.
>
> >> And the Euro as well.
>
> >> I can't get my head around people who think that having your own currency
> >> is a good thing for no very good reason except some sort of fear.
>
> >> The only people who make money are the banks, who actually manage to tax
> >> people for having the temerity to want to spend money abroad...
>
> > The problem is that the loss of a separate currency results in a great
> > deal of loss of the ability to manage your own economy.
>
> > It is not clear that the advantages are more than minor.
>
> Actually that explanation only applies if you're the chancellor. For normal
> people there are advantages and no down side.

Actually that explanation applies to everyone whose life is affected
by the actions of the chancellor.

B;

From: d4g4h4 on
William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews(a)houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:465a64b0$0$10100$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
[]
> > It is not clear that the advantages are more than minor.
> >
> Actually that explanation only applies if you're the chancellor. For normal
> people there are advantages and no down side.

The clearest downside would be a rise in prices created by confusion
over the euro. This happened in every single country which adopted the
euro, and explained why post-adoption public opinion in many of those
countries dropped so low. Complaining about the UK being more expensve
is besides the point- it would become more expensive still if it adopted
the euro. The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK
is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't
need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
From: William Black on

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1hytl7r.iylckg1e56qnjN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk...
> William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews(a)houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:465a64b0$0$10100$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> []
>> > It is not clear that the advantages are more than minor.
>> >
>> Actually that explanation only applies if you're the chancellor. For
>> normal
>> people there are advantages and no down side.
>
> The clearest downside would be a rise in prices created by confusion
> over the euro. This happened in every single country which adopted the
> euro, and explained why post-adoption public opinion in many of those
> countries dropped so low. Complaining about the UK being more expensve
> is besides the point- it would become more expensive still if it adopted
> the euro. The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK
> is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't
> need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage.

Not so much 'easier' as 'cheaper'.

The banks levy a tax on anyone with the temerity to spend money in Europe.

I resent that.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.





From: d4g4h4 on
Martin <me(a)address.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:03:54 +0100, d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> > The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK
> >is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't
> >need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage.
>
> eh? Every holiday costs you several % in currency conversion charges more than
> say a Dutchman having the same holiday.

No it doesn't. I have a Nationwide account for European travel.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
From: d4g4h4 on
Martin <me(a)address.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 May 2007 13:17:24 +0100, d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <me(a)address.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:03:54 +0100, d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >[]
> >> > The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK
> >> >is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't
> >> >need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage.
> >>
> >> eh? Every holiday costs you several % in currency conversion charges
> >> more than say a Dutchman having the same holiday.
> >
> >No it doesn't. I have a Nationwide account for European travel.
>
> and of course you get the ECB rate of exchange?

No. It's about 0.001% different to it, not in my favour. It's a
negligible amount, and of course, it's not just in Euro countries, I get
the same rates in the US, Norway etc.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007