From: jeremyrh.geo on 28 May 2007 05:55 On May 28, 11:50 am, "William Black" <william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatth...(a)houston.rr.com> wrote in messagenews:465a64b0$0$10100$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > > > > > William Black wrote: > > >> "Magda" <magda(a)eu> wrote in message > >>news:efej53hrpbafjqmqa7op2ekbbd6s8u12ut(a)4ax.com... > > >>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 17:02:09 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William Black" > >>><william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> arranged some electrons, so they looked > >>>like this: > > >>>... My wife needs a Schengen visa to visit Schengen countries. > > >>>The wife of a french man won't need it. > > >>>... She has a UK residential visa. > > >>>Sign the Schengen agreements! > > >>>(Like that's gonna happen in my lifetime...) > > >> I wish. > > >> And the Euro as well. > > >> I can't get my head around people who think that having your own currency > >> is a good thing for no very good reason except some sort of fear. > > >> The only people who make money are the banks, who actually manage to tax > >> people for having the temerity to want to spend money abroad... > > > The problem is that the loss of a separate currency results in a great > > deal of loss of the ability to manage your own economy. > > > It is not clear that the advantages are more than minor. > > Actually that explanation only applies if you're the chancellor. For normal > people there are advantages and no down side. Actually that explanation applies to everyone whose life is affected by the actions of the chancellor. B;
From: d4g4h4 on 28 May 2007 06:03 William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews(a)houston.rr.com> wrote in message > news:465a64b0$0$10100$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... [] > > It is not clear that the advantages are more than minor. > > > Actually that explanation only applies if you're the chancellor. For normal > people there are advantages and no down side. The clearest downside would be a rise in prices created by confusion over the euro. This happened in every single country which adopted the euro, and explained why post-adoption public opinion in many of those countries dropped so low. Complaining about the UK being more expensve is besides the point- it would become more expensive still if it adopted the euro. The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
From: William Black on 28 May 2007 06:57 "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1hytl7r.iylckg1e56qnjN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk... > William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews(a)houston.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:465a64b0$0$10100$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > [] >> > It is not clear that the advantages are more than minor. >> > >> Actually that explanation only applies if you're the chancellor. For >> normal >> people there are advantages and no down side. > > The clearest downside would be a rise in prices created by confusion > over the euro. This happened in every single country which adopted the > euro, and explained why post-adoption public opinion in many of those > countries dropped so low. Complaining about the UK being more expensve > is besides the point- it would become more expensive still if it adopted > the euro. The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK > is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't > need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage. Not so much 'easier' as 'cheaper'. The banks levy a tax on anyone with the temerity to spend money in Europe. I resent that. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea.
From: d4g4h4 on 28 May 2007 08:17 Martin <me(a)address.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:03:54 +0100, d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ > chancellor (*)) wrote: [] > > The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK > >is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't > >need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage. > > eh? Every holiday costs you several % in currency conversion charges more than > say a Dutchman having the same holiday. No it doesn't. I have a Nationwide account for European travel. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
From: d4g4h4 on 28 May 2007 08:27
Martin <me(a)address.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2007 13:17:24 +0100, d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ > chancellor (*)) wrote: > > >Martin <me(a)address.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:03:54 +0100, d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ > >> chancellor (*)) wrote: > >[] > >> > The advantages of the euro for most 'normal people' in the UK > >> >is that it makes travel in euro-zone countries a lot easier- you don't > >> >need to have the euro as your currency to take that advantage. > >> > >> eh? Every holiday costs you several % in currency conversion charges > >> more than say a Dutchman having the same holiday. > > > >No it doesn't. I have a Nationwide account for European travel. > > and of course you get the ECB rate of exchange? No. It's about 0.001% different to it, not in my favour. It's a negligible amount, and of course, it's not just in Euro countries, I get the same rates in the US, Norway etc. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007 |