From: David Horne on
Earl Evleth <evleth(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> On 8/07/10 0:05, in article 1jla83t.adw7dm1b46ur4N%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk,
> "David Horne" <d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > They're not free. You just don't have to pay for them (assuming you're
> > right.) Happen to know the actual cost of them?
>
> Nope.

What a surprise.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)
From: Donna Evleth on


> From: Magda <pikrodafni(a)gmail.com>
> Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
> Reply-To: <>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:18:59 +0200
> Subject: Re: Big hike in US passport fees, $450 to renounce citizenship!
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Jean O'Boyle"
> <job1930(a)yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
>
> ... I, or one, am proud to be an American and do not hide it.
>
> Someone please explain to me what sort of "pride" can be found in *being born*
> some place
> or other?
>
> Not a great feat at all - not even a microscopic challenge, is it?

I have never valued, for myself, "accidents of birth", such as nationality,
gender, race. What I value is what I have accomplished. Not my ancestors,
not my relatives, not even my husband. Just me. And I proud of my
accomplishments. I am a scholar, having written and published scholarly
articles which are respected and cited by my peers. This is much more
important to me than being born of any given race or nationality.

There were a number of people in the 1930s and 1940s who emigrated to the US
from oppressive countries. They made great contributions to science, in
particular, in the US.

Donna Evleth
>
>
>
> =====
> It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.

From: Jean O'Boyle on

"Magda" <pikrodafni(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fscb365643iq5b38qi9al5pk8qrt2aalbp(a)4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Jean O'Boyle"
> <job1930(a)yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
>
> ... I, for one, am proud to be an American and do not hide it.
>
> Someone please explain to me what sort of "pride" can be found in *being
> born* some place
> or other?


=====
It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.


If it must be explained to you, you are comprehensibly challenged.
Apparently you do not have the pride in your country as I do in mine, or you
would require no explanation.
One might say that your signature line is very subjective as well, since it
is your opinion. To each his own.

--Jean


From: David Horne on
Jean O'Boyle <job1930(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Magda" <pikrodafni(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fscb365643iq5b38qi9al5pk8qrt2aalbp(a)4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Jean O'Boyle"
> > <job1930(a)yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> >
> >
> > ... I, for one, am proud to be an American and do not hide it.
> >
> > Someone please explain to me what sort of "pride" can be found in *being
> > born* some place
> > or other?
>
>
> =====
> It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.
>
>
> If it must be explained to you, you are comprehensibly challenged.
> Apparently you do not have the pride in your country as I do in mine, or you
> would require no explanation.
> One might say that your signature line is very subjective as well, since it
> is your opinion. To each his own.

It requires no skill to be born somewhere, so I don't understand the
pride in it either.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)
From: Jean O'Boyle on

"David Horne" <d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1jlc04v.1spxd131kq5zyyN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk...
> Jean O'Boyle <job1930(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Magda" <pikrodafni(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fscb365643iq5b38qi9al5pk8qrt2aalbp(a)4ax.com...
>> > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Jean O'Boyle"
>> > <job1930(a)yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>> >
>> >
>> > ... I, for one, am proud to be an American and do not hide it.
>> >
>> > Someone please explain to me what sort of "pride" can be found in
>> > *being
>> > born* some place
>> > or other?
>>
>>
>> =====
>> It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.
>>
>>
>> If it must be explained to you, you are comprehensibly challenged.
>> Apparently you do not have the pride in your country as I do in mine, or
>> you
>> would require no explanation.
>> One might say that your signature line is very subjective as well, since
>> it
>> is your opinion. To each his own.
>
> It requires no skill to be born somewhere, so I don't understand the
> pride in it either.


Born has nothing to do with it, my parents were born in Europe and
immigrated to the USA and were very proud of their new country when they
became naturalized Americans. That is the way I feel about my country...I am
proud of it with all its faults; I still would not live any where else if I
were given a choice.

--Jean