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From: John Rennie on 9 Jul 2010 08:21 Jean O'Boyle wrote: > "David Horne" <d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1jlc04v.1spxd131kq5zyyN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk... >> Jean O'Boyle <job1930(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> "Magda" <pikrodafni(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:fscb365643iq5b38qi9al5pk8qrt2aalbp(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Jean O'Boyle" >>>> <job1930(a)yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: >>>> >>>> >>>> ... I, for one, am proud to be an American and do not hide it. >>>> >>>> Someone please explain to me what sort of "pride" can be found in >>>> *being >>>> born* some place >>>> or other? >>> >>> ===== >>> It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. >>> >>> >>> If it must be explained to you, you are comprehensibly challenged. >>> Apparently you do not have the pride in your country as I do in mine, or >>> you >>> would require no explanation. >>> One might say that your signature line is very subjective as well, since >>> it >>> is your opinion. To each his own. >> It requires no skill to be born somewhere, so I don't understand the >> pride in it either. > > > Born has nothing to do with it, my parents were born in Europe and > immigrated to the USA and were very proud of their new country when they > became naturalized Americans. That is the way I feel about my country...I am > proud of it with all its faults; I still would not live any where else if I > were given a choice. > > --Jean > > > The rest of us are counting our blessings.
From: Hatunen on 9 Jul 2010 14:19 On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:10 +0200, Earl Evleth <evleth(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote: >On 8/07/10 23:08, in article 1jlc04v.1spxd131kq5zyyN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk, >"David Horne" <d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> It requires no skill to be born somewhere, so I don't understand the >> pride in it either. > > >I think that for some it gives them identity. I noticed several times >the line for "belongers" at the BVI airport, these are for people >born there, the term "belongers" projects the feeling o belonging >there. > >On the other had, as a person born in Chicago I not only do not >feel I belong there, I don't want to be there! Having been >living in France 35 years and now having French citizenship >I don't have that feeling o belonging here, I have a legal >right to be here and that is sufficient. And not only do I >have a legal right, via tax payments made over the years >I merit that right. In addition the legal right to be >here also involves responsibilities. Many talk about their >rights, and few about the other side of that coin. I was a landed immigrant in Canada living at Monteral for a year, summer 1965-66. I was a student at McGill but my wife and I applied for landed immigrant status so she could get a job and because we were considering staying there. One winter in the Great White North sent us scurrying to Arizona. While there, and despite the obvious Canadian cultural overlap with American culture, like James Baldwin in Paris, I came to realize that I was an American, not a Canadian, due to some sort of cultural difference. I could have remained there (were the climate more benign) and been content. Thre were soem things that made the Canadian culture seem attractive to me. But I think I always would have been the American. I wonder if our many Canadian-Americans feels somewhat the same, like all the Canadian-born actors working in America? (Why isn't there a hue and cry about all the Canadians taking jobs away from Americans? They're certainly better jobs than the Mexicans are taking.) Aside: I went to Monteal in 1965, jsutas the Vietnam war was really ramping up and quigte a few Canadians took me to task for some American actions. Thre's a tendency to become defensive, and I startled myself by once defending J Edgar Hoover. I've now spent some time in my ancestral land, Finland. where there's even a Hatunen family farm. Some of my cousins have tried to convince me to move there (but that damn climate!) and there are attractions, but as I tell them, I'm an American, not a Finn, even if I spent my early years living in the Finnish quarter of my hometown. It's an attractive idea, though, since I hae many more relatives in Finland than I do in America, and gaining EU citizenship is also attractive, since then I could move away from that particular Great White North. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Jean O'Boyle on 9 Jul 2010 20:05 "David Horne" <d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1jlc04v.1spxd131kq5zyyN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk... >> >> If it must be explained to you, you are comprehensibly challenged. >> Apparently you do not have the pride in your country as I do in mine, or >> you >> would require no explanation. >> One might say that your signature line is very subjective as well, since >> it >> is your opinion. To each his own. > > It requires no skill to be born somewhere, so I don't understand the > pride in it either. Pride can, but does not have to include a skill. It is a state or feeling of being proud. You do not have to own or do anything to have the feeling of pride...I am proud of my children, who have all chosen vocations or careers that help others...science, medicine and law enforcement, but I don't own them...they are grown and have chosen their own paths in life...but I am proud of them. Having been a medical professional (RN) myself for many years, I feel good about having taken part in helping others to get well or feel better; but to be boastful about it is egocentric and I feel too much pride in oneself leads to narcissism. It becomes I did this and I did that, destroying the value of what you accomplished. It is better when it is said by someone of you, not by you, yourself. There is also civic pride...love of state and country. You are proud of its accomplishments and express it with loyalty and pride. A feeling or emotion. Whether you are born there or adopted it as your home, makes no difference...you still can have a sense of pride. JMHO --Jean
From: Gregory Morrow on 11 Jul 2010 22:40 On Jul 8, 5:21 am, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 8, 1:18 pm, Magda <pikroda...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Jean O'Boyle" > > <job1...(a)yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: > > > ... I, or one, am proud to be an American and do not hide it. > > > Someone please explain to me what sort of "pride" can be found in *being born* some place > > or other? > > > Not a great feat at all - not even a microscopic challenge, is it? > > > ===== > > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. > > being born in a swamp was runges greatest achievement LOL.......... -- Best Greg
From: Gregory Morrow on 11 Jul 2010 22:42
On Jul 8, 5:51 am, John Rennie <john-ren...(a)talktalk.net> wrote: > Magda wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Jean O'Boyle" > > <job1...(a)yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: > > > ... I, or one, am proud to be an American and do not hide it. > > > Someone please explain to me what sort of "pride" can be found in *being born* some place > > or other? > > > Not a great feat at all - not even a microscopic challenge, is it? > > > ===== > > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. > > I'm not proud to Be British, neither am I ashamed. > Just a bit relieved. Poor drains...??? -- Best Greg |