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From: Tom K on 26 Feb 2010 14:50
On 2/26/10 1:56 PM, Stu wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:17:18 -0800, Ray Goldenberg
> <ray(a)lighthousetravel.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Some, but fortunately not most, on this news group want to be
>> nattering nabobs of negativity. Fortunately the real world of
>> cruising does not agree. As an example, Oceania Cruises floated out
>> its first newbuild, Marina, at Fincantieri�s Sestri Ponente shipyard
>> this morning then surprised attendees by also cutting steel for a
>> second ship. The newbuild, Riviera, is planned for April 2012
>> delivery. This is a very exciting time for all of us that believe in
>> the cruise industry.
>
> You and I both know that these ships were ordered more than five years
> ago. That well before this ecomomy went in the toilet so they had to
> take possession, I'm sure they'd be more than happy for the bottom
> line not to.
> You can be as upbeat as you want, after all you've got your livelyhood
> at stake in this industry, where the person on the street does not.

Where is his LIVELIHOOD if the person on the street isn't booking with
him? Unless his clientele is strictly multi-millionaires unaffected by
the economy. Otherwise it behooves him to try to convince people that
they should be upbeat.

--Tom
From: Borked Psuedo Mailed on 26 Feb 2010 14:56
Ray Goldenberg wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:56:29 -0600, Stu <admin(a)foodforu.ca> wrote:
>
>> That well before this ecomomy went in the toilet so they had to
>> take possession, I'm sure they'd be more than happy for the bottom
>> line not to.
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> We can always be confident that there are those that have no idea of
> what is currently going on in the industry spouting off as the above
> poster has done often since he recently joined r.t.cruises. BTW, what
> is "this ecomomy"? <:+)
> FWIW, NCL made a profit for the first time in many years and it was
> announced this am that Regent Seven Seas would "will chalk up a record
> profit in 2010." The cruise lines are ordering new ships this year
> after not ordering hardly any last year. I guess Stu knows more than
> the management of the cruise lines. <lol>
>

Pay no attention to the man behind the mirror.

MGM just opened a 12 billion dollar hotel and casino complex in Las
Vegas. The hotels are 50% empty and the customers that are there are
being siphoned from other MGM properties. Vegas as a whole is in the
toilet due to people not having any money to spend on vacations. Same
with Atlantic city. The Olympic Game venues are not sold out and at many
events, locals are being given free tickets just to fill the empty
seats. Vancouver will lose millions on this deal.

But leave it to Ray and George to say that cruise tourism is going up.

Rose colored glasses, anyone?

Does anyone else get daily email offers from the major cruise lines to
fill those last minute berths at under $50 a day like I do? It must be
so easy to pay off a $500 million ship at $50 a day per pax. Maybe
Carnival got a bailout from TARP we didn't hear about?
From: Tom K on 26 Feb 2010 14:58
On 2/26/10 2:34 PM, Ray Goldenberg wrote:

>
> We can always be confident that there are those that have no idea of
> what is currently going on in the industry spouting off as the above
> poster has done often since he recently joined r.t.cruises. BTW, what
> is "this ecomomy"?<:+)

You ask: "What is this economy?" And then you throw in a smiley face?
You're kidding right?

Is that a laugh or a smile at people who are out of work? A smile or a
laugh at people losing their homes? Is that joy or amusement at the
pain of others?

Wow...

Thanks Ray.

--Tom





From: Ray Goldenberg on 26 Feb 2010 15:00
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:58:18 -0500, Tom K <tkanitra(a)optonline.net>
wrote:

>You ask: "What is this economy?" And then you throw in a smiley face?

Hi Tom,

The laugh was at the way he spelled "economy". Sorry you did not
catch that.
--
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From: Tom K on 26 Feb 2010 15:02
On 2/26/10 2:20 PM, George Leppla wrote:
> Stu wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:17:18 -0800, Ray Goldenberg
>> <ray(a)lighthousetravel.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Some, but fortunately not most, on this news group want to be
>>> nattering nabobs of negativity. Fortunately the real world of
>>> cruising does not agree. As an example, Oceania Cruises floated out
>>> its first newbuild, Marina, at Fincantieri�s Sestri Ponente shipyard
>>> this morning then surprised attendees by also cutting steel for a
>>> second ship. The newbuild, Riviera, is planned for April 2012
>>> delivery. This is a very exciting time for all of us that believe in
>>> the cruise industry.
>>
>> You and I both know that these ships were ordered more than five years
>> ago. That well before this ecomomy went in the toilet so they had to
>> take possession, I'm sure they'd be more than happy for the bottom
>> line not to.
>> You can be as upbeat as you want, after all you've got your livelyhood
>> at stake in this industry, where the person on the street does not.
>
>
> You must have missed the news that Carnival Corp just ordered two more
> ships for the Princess fleet. One will be delivered in 2013 and the
> other a year later.
>
> This just happened last week. Three months ago Carnival also announced a
> new build for the Carnival fleet.
>
> Care to take a guess why the cruise lines are starting to ramp up capacity?
>

To put even more pressure on smaller cruise companies or companies in
financial difficulty? It's a Walmart strategy. Attack when the other
guy is weak. If you have the money during bad times, you'll be the one
to survive when the other guy won't. Eventually you'll be the only one
left.
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