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From: Ray Goldenberg on 26 Feb 2010 15:04
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:50:16 -0500, Tom K <tkanitra(a)optonline.net>
wrote:

>Where is his LIVELIHOOD if the person on the street isn't booking with
>him?

Hi Tom,

My business has gone up in passenger count every year including last
year by double digits. Apparently, I am not alone since the cruise
lines are raising fares and are selling cruises at a brisk pace in
2010. Cruise lines and travel agents definitely got hurt by the low
prices that it took to fill the ships. The point George and I are
making is that the prices are up this year along with bookings. I
hope this clarification helps you understand.
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From: Stu on 26 Feb 2010 15:06
X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:48:35 -0600, Borked Psuedo
Mailed <nobody(a)psuedo.borked.net> wrote:

>George Leppla wrote:
>> Stu wrote:
>>> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:17:18 -0800, Ray Goldenberg
>>> <ray(a)lighthousetravel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Some, but fortunately not most, on this news group want to be
>>>> nattering nabobs of negativity. Fortunately the real world of
>>>> cruising does not agree. As an example, Oceania Cruises floated out
>>>> its first newbuild, Marina, at Fincantieri�s Sestri Ponente shipyard
>>>> this morning then surprised attendees by also cutting steel for a
>>>> second ship. The newbuild, Riviera, is planned for April 2012
>>>> delivery. This is a very exciting time for all of us that believe in
>>>> the cruise industry.
>>>
>>> You and I both know that these ships were ordered more than five years
>>> ago. That well before this ecomomy went in the toilet so they had to
>>> take possession, I'm sure they'd be more than happy for the bottom
>>> line not to.
>>> You can be as upbeat as you want, after all you've got your livelyhood
>>> at stake in this industry, where the person on the street does not.
>>
>>
>> You must have missed the news that Carnival Corp just ordered two more
>> ships for the Princess fleet. One will be delivered in 2013 and the
>> other a year later.


Most ships just being delivered now were ordered 5 or more years ago,
now they are being delivered they have to be paid for, thus the
ramping up the price to the customer. They can do what they wish but
it has been stated that the economy will take seven years to get back
to pre 2008 levels. The economy is going to get worse before it gets
any better, more houses lost, more jobs lost, people can't sell their
houses to get out from under enormous debt loads because there isn't
any money availavble for people to borrow with which to buy.
So I'm not sure where the cruise lines think the public will get the
capitol to pay for these cruises to keep them afloat.

As for Travel Agents, they have a vested interest in the industry.


>It just happened last week. Three months ago Carnival also
>> announced a new build for the Carnival fleet.
>>
>> Care to take a guess why the cruise lines are starting to ramp up capacity?
>>
>
>Must be due to the incredible state of the economy.
>
>The fact that millions of people are out of work all over the world,
>that the US and European economies are in the toilet and that Greece and
>England are virtually bankrupt, with most of Europe and the US not far
>behind all means that travel agents are going to be seeing a huge
>increase in business as people book cruises with the money they used to
>use to pay the mortgages on their homes that have been foreclosed on,
>with credit cards that now charge a 39% monthly interest rate.
>
>Do I get a cookie?
From: Borked Psuedo Mailed on 26 Feb 2010 15:17
Ray Goldenberg wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:50:16 -0500, Tom K <tkanitra(a)optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Where is his LIVELIHOOD if the person on the street isn't booking with
>> him?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> My business has gone up in passenger count every year including last
> year by double digits. Apparently, I am not alone since the cruise
> lines are raising fares and are selling cruises at a brisk pace in
> 2010. Cruise lines and travel agents definitely got hurt by the low
> prices that it took to fill the ships. The point George and I are
> making is that the prices are up this year along with bookings. I
> hope this clarification helps you understand.
>

Yes Tom.

Ray books his business out of California, a state with over 13%
unemployment, the highest rate of home foreclosures in the country and
also a state that pays its bills with vouchers and is on the verge of
filing bankruptcy. So of course, he is booking cruises at a "double
digit" rate increase.

Those wily Californian's know how to live life like there is no
tomorrow. They book a cruise with Ray.
From: George Leppla on 26 Feb 2010 15:20
Borked Psuedo Mailed wrote:
> George Leppla wrote:
>> Stu wrote:
>>> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:17:18 -0800, Ray Goldenberg
>>> <ray(a)lighthousetravel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Some, but fortunately not most, on this news group want to be
>>>> nattering nabobs of negativity. Fortunately the real world of
>>>> cruising does not agree. As an example, Oceania Cruises floated out
>>>> its first newbuild, Marina, at Fincantieri�s Sestri Ponente shipyard
>>>> this morning then surprised attendees by also cutting steel for a
>>>> second ship. The newbuild, Riviera, is planned for April 2012
>>>> delivery. This is a very exciting time for all of us that believe in
>>>> the cruise industry.
>>>
>>> You and I both know that these ships were ordered more than five years
>>> ago. That well before this ecomomy went in the toilet so they had to
>>> take possession, I'm sure they'd be more than happy for the bottom
>>> line not to.
>>> You can be as upbeat as you want, after all you've got your livelyhood
>>> at stake in this industry, where the person on the street does not.
>>
>>
>> You must have missed the news that Carnival Corp just ordered two more
>> ships for the Princess fleet. One will be delivered in 2013 and the
>> other a year later.
>>
>> This just happened last week. Three months ago Carnival also
>> announced a new build for the Carnival fleet.
>>
>> Care to take a guess why the cruise lines are starting to ramp up
>> capacity?
>>
>
> Must be due to the incredible state of the economy.
>
> The fact that millions of people are out of work all over the world,
> that the US and European economies are in the toilet and that Greece and
> England are virtually bankrupt, with most of Europe and the US not far
> behind all means that travel agents are going to be seeing a huge
> increase in business as people book cruises with the money they used to
> use to pay the mortgages on their homes that have been foreclosed on,
> with credit cards that now charge a 39% monthly interest rate.
>
> Do I get a cookie?

Anonymous trolls using remailers aren't worth my time.

Come back when you grow a pair and are willing to take responsibility
for what you post.


--

George Leppla

Countryside Travel http://www.CruiseMaster.com
Blog http://cruisemaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/CruiseMaster
From: George Leppla on 26 Feb 2010 15:27
Stu wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:48:35 -0600, Borked Psuedo
> Mailed <nobody(a)psuedo.borked.net> wrote:
>
>> George Leppla wrote:
>>> Stu wrote:
>>>> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:17:18 -0800, Ray Goldenberg
>>>> <ray(a)lighthousetravel.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some, but fortunately not most, on this news group want to be
>>>>> nattering nabobs of negativity. Fortunately the real world of
>>>>> cruising does not agree. As an example, Oceania Cruises floated out
>>>>> its first newbuild, Marina, at Fincantieri�s Sestri Ponente shipyard
>>>>> this morning then surprised attendees by also cutting steel for a
>>>>> second ship. The newbuild, Riviera, is planned for April 2012
>>>>> delivery. This is a very exciting time for all of us that believe in
>>>>> the cruise industry.
>>>> You and I both know that these ships were ordered more than five years
>>>> ago. That well before this ecomomy went in the toilet so they had to
>>>> take possession, I'm sure they'd be more than happy for the bottom
>>>> line not to.
>>>> You can be as upbeat as you want, after all you've got your livelyhood
>>>> at stake in this industry, where the person on the street does not.
>>>
>>> You must have missed the news that Carnival Corp just ordered two more
>>> ships for the Princess fleet. One will be delivered in 2013 and the
>>> other a year later.
>
>
> Most ships just being delivered now were ordered 5 or more years ago,
> now they are being delivered they have to be paid for, thus the
> ramping up the price to the customer. They can do what they wish but
> it has been stated that the economy will take seven years to get back
> to pre 2008 levels. The economy is going to get worse before it gets
> any better, more houses lost, more jobs lost, people can't sell their
> houses to get out from under enormous debt loads because there isn't
> any money availavble for people to borrow with which to buy.
> So I'm not sure where the cruise lines think the public will get the
> capitol to pay for these cruises to keep them afloat.
>
> As for Travel Agents, they have a vested interest in the industry.

Ah Stu... you found us out. Travel Agents and the cruise lines have
banded together to dupe the public into thinking that fares are going up
and bookings are much higher than they were last year.

It is a conspiracy and you found us out. We were all in on it
together and you managed to ferret out the truth!

NERTZ and CURSES!!!!!!! Damn you Stu! We had a good thing going here
with the cruise lines claiming to make profits and ordering new ships.
It is a good thing you came along to expose this conspiracy.

Whup...whup..... whup....whup.... Sorry, there is my helicopter.
Carnival sent it to extract me from this mess that you have exposed and
I'm sure they'll whisk me off to the Sekrit HeadKwarters where we will
all plan our next dastardly public relations campaign.


--

George Leppla

Countryside Travel http://www.CruiseMaster.com
Blog http://cruisemaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/CruiseMaster
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