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From: J Carnaghie on 26 Feb 2010 15:28


Borked Psuedo Mailed wrote:
> Ray Goldenberg wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:50:16 -0500, Tom K <tkanitra(a)optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where is his LIVELIHOOD if the person on the street isn't booking
>>> with him?
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> My business has gone up in passenger count every year including last
>> year by double digits. Apparently, I am not alone since the cruise
>> lines are raising fares and are selling cruises at a brisk pace in
>> 2010. Cruise lines and travel agents definitely got hurt by the low
>> prices that it took to fill the ships. The point George and I are
>> making is that the prices are up this year along with bookings. I
>> hope this clarification helps you understand.
>>
>
> Yes Tom.
>
> Ray books his business out of California, a state with over 13%
> unemployment, the highest rate of home foreclosures in the country and
> also a state that pays its bills with vouchers and is on the verge of
> filing bankruptcy. So of course, he is booking cruises at a "double
> digit" rate increase.
>
> Those wily Californian's know how to live life like there is no
> tomorrow. They book a cruise with Ray.

Yes, indeed California has all those problems, but it is still one of
the largest economies around. Compared to a lot of nations, California
has more people, more gross domestic product, more farming production,
and lots of other things that make up a healthy economy.
We also have more deadbeats, more "social service workers." more "off
the books workers" than many states have workers.
We also do not have massive snow storms that shut us down. All in all a
pretty nice play to be, except of course when the earth moves.
Cruises offer one of the few real vacations open to the entire family,
including the "driver" that can be afforded by many families. Have you
stayed at a name brand motel lately? Compare that price to the price of
a cruise cabin.
Nuff said,
Cheers,
John in LaLaLand (On the Left Coast - Snow on the mountain!!)
From: Stu on 26 Feb 2010 15:51
X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:27:28 -0600, George Leppla
<george(a)cruisemaster.com> wrote:

>Stu wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:48:35 -0600, Borked Psuedo
>> Mailed <nobody(a)psuedo.borked.net> wrote:
>>
>>> George Leppla wrote:
>>>> Stu wrote:
>>>>> X-No-Archive: yes On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:17:18 -0800, Ray Goldenberg
>>>>> <ray(a)lighthousetravel.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some, but fortunately not most, on this news group want to be
>>>>>> nattering nabobs of negativity. Fortunately the real world of
>>>>>> cruising does not agree. As an example, Oceania Cruises floated out
>>>>>> its first newbuild, Marina, at Fincantieri�s Sestri Ponente shipyard
>>>>>> this morning then surprised attendees by also cutting steel for a
>>>>>> second ship. The newbuild, Riviera, is planned for April 2012
>>>>>> delivery. This is a very exciting time for all of us that believe in
>>>>>> the cruise industry.
>>>>> You and I both know that these ships were ordered more than five years
>>>>> ago. That well before this ecomomy went in the toilet so they had to
>>>>> take possession, I'm sure they'd be more than happy for the bottom
>>>>> line not to.
>>>>> You can be as upbeat as you want, after all you've got your livelyhood
>>>>> at stake in this industry, where the person on the street does not.
>>>>
>>>> You must have missed the news that Carnival Corp just ordered two more
>>>> ships for the Princess fleet. One will be delivered in 2013 and the
>>>> other a year later.
>>
>>
>> Most ships just being delivered now were ordered 5 or more years ago,
>> now they are being delivered they have to be paid for, thus the
>> ramping up the price to the customer. They can do what they wish but
>> it has been stated that the economy will take seven years to get back
>> to pre 2008 levels. The economy is going to get worse before it gets
>> any better, more houses lost, more jobs lost, people can't sell their
>> houses to get out from under enormous debt loads because there isn't
>> any money availavble for people to borrow with which to buy.
>> So I'm not sure where the cruise lines think the public will get the
>> capitol to pay for these cruises to keep them afloat.
>>
>> As for Travel Agents, they have a vested interest in the industry.
>
>Ah Stu... you found us out. Travel Agents and the cruise lines have
>banded together to dupe the public into thinking that fares are going up
>and bookings are much higher than they were last year.
>
>It is a conspiracy and you found us out. We were all in on it
>together and you managed to ferret out the truth!
>
>NERTZ and CURSES!!!!!!! Damn you Stu! We had a good thing going here
>with the cruise lines claiming to make profits and ordering new ships.
>It is a good thing you came along to expose this conspiracy.
>
>Whup...whup..... whup....whup.... Sorry, there is my helicopter.
>Carnival sent it to extract me from this mess that you have exposed and
>I'm sure they'll whisk me off to the Sekrit HeadKwarters where we will
>all plan our next dastardly public relations campaign.


George, an economy in the toilet, many people loosing their houses and
jobs is not a thing I'd have the balls to laugh about on an open
newsgroup. You the man !!!!!!
From: Ray Goldenberg on 26 Feb 2010 16:07
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:17:54 -0600, Borked Psuedo Mailed
<nobody(a)psuedo.borked.net> wrote:

>Ray books his business out of California, a state with over 13%
>unemployment, the highest rate of home foreclosures in the country and
>also a state that pays its bills with vouchers and is on the verge of
>filing bankruptcy. So of course, he is booking cruises at a "double
>digit" rate increase.
>
>Those wily Californian's know how to live life like there is no
>tomorrow. They book a cruise with Ray.

Hi Chrissy Cruiser,

Of all people, you should know that less than 10% of my business is
from Californians. BTW, how is that being a male pretending to be a
female with big hooters working out for you? <:+)
--
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From: Borked Psuedo Mailed on 26 Feb 2010 17:45
Ray Goldenberg wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:17:54 -0600, Borked Psuedo Mailed
> <nobody(a)psuedo.borked.net> wrote:
>
>> Ray books his business out of California, a state with over 13%
>> unemployment, the highest rate of home foreclosures in the country and
>> also a state that pays its bills with vouchers and is on the verge of
>> filing bankruptcy. So of course, he is booking cruises at a "double
>> digit" rate increase.
>>
>> Those wily Californian's know how to live life like there is no
>> tomorrow. They book a cruise with Ray.
>
> Hi Chrissy Cruiser,
>
> Of all people, you should know that less than 10% of my business is
> from Californians. BTW, how is that being a male pretending to be a
> female with big hooters working out for you? <:+)
>
I sure hope you're a better travel agent than you are net detective,
cause I ain't Chrissy. Then again, how good a travel agent could you be
when you are able to spend every waking moment monitoring a usenet
newsgroup read by less than 1000 people and responding to each and every
post directed to you or about you in under 20 minutes. Not to mention
spending every waking moment posting useless press releases to the same
usenet newsgroup in the hope of attracting some newbie to book with you.

No wonder you have so much free time on your hands.
From: Nonny on 26 Feb 2010 18:18

"Borked Psuedo Mailed" <nobody(a)psuedo.borked.net> wrote in message
news:6IVhn.240569$tq1.222168(a)en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>
>
> MGM just opened a 12 billion dollar hotel and casino complex in
> Las Vegas. The hotels are 50% empty and the customers that are
> there are being siphoned from other MGM properties. Vegas as a
> whole is in the toilet due to people not having any money to
> spend on vacations. Same with Atlantic city. The Olympic Game
> venues are not sold out and at many events, locals are being
> given free tickets just to fill the empty seats. Vancouver will
> lose millions on this deal.

Actually, it's more like only $8 billion. Their problem is not
only a lack of tourism coming to town, the place is as sterile and
ugly as any bank home office in any city, if not more so. Locals
complain about the difficulty finding even how to park and get in.
In the ubershopping center, there's no place to sit while shopping
for $600 jeans and $1200 purses. People can stay next door in a
much more psychologically warm environment, and at a lesser price,
then walk next door to City Center, look around and chuckle, and
go somewhere else.

I hear that their casino itself is "OK," but that's just about all
I've heard good about the place. It has no tourist attraction,
such as the volcano at Mirage, fountains at Bellagio etc. It's
just a big money vacuum, IMHO.

A cruise, OTOH, does just what John said, and I think he hit on
one of the most fundamental truths about cruising's
attractiveness. To paraphrase him, the DRIVER gets to enjoy the
trip, you're not all crammed into a car and you're staying at a
very good "hotel" every night, eating at a great restaurant and
don't have to worry about making reservations every night or
"making it" to the hotel on time.

--
Nonny


Luxury cars now offer a great seating option for politicians.
These seats blow heated air onto their backside in the winter and
cooled air in the summer. If sold to voters, though, the car
seats
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