From: Mister Niceguy on
"Buddenbrooks" <knightstemplar(a)budweiser.com> wrote in
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> "Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DCDADFA75EBniceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90...
> > I would be against apartheit like that. Anyone who wants to buy
> > peace can
>> get a business class ticket, rather than try and impose their will on
>> a minority.
>>
>
> That is what children who are badly behaved do.

Were you never a child? Did you "behave" all the time?
From: Mister Niceguy on
"Clive" <clivebraham(a)nospamorange.net> wrote in
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> "Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DCDADFA75EBniceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90...
>> pete <no_one_you_know(a)notthisaddress.com> wrote in
>> news:slrni5qcuj.use.no_one_you_know(a)corv.local:
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>>> On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Mister Niceguy wrote:
>>>> You guys are unbelievable. What's happened to society when it
>>>> doesn't treasure its children? How will these kids grow up -
>>>> knowing that their sheer presence is resented as an inconvenience.
>>>
>>> And what about the parents' responsibilities to bring up their
>>> children as conforming and considerate members of society? Where
>>> they don't think the entire planet is there simply for their
>>> amusement and convenience?
>>
>> I think most parents at least try to do that. Believe me there's
>> nothing worse than trying to control your child in public and at the
>> same time some
>> grumpy old git telling you that you're not doing a good enough job.
>>
>>> There was a piece on BBC1 breakfast this morning (Sat, 7 Aug) and
>>> one lady suggested drugging children with antihistamines before long
>>> flights.
>>
>> For whose benefit? If she's having problems then it's her that needs
>> the drugs.
>>
>>> Another suggestion was to have "family only" sections of flights -
>>> hopefully with a large, soundproof, barrier between it and the rest
>>> of the plane.
>>
>> I would be against apartheit like that. Anyone who wants to buy peace
>> can get a business class ticket, rather than try and impose their
>> will on a minority.
>
> These people have obviously opted out of society, so they can jog on.
> They can just stay at home in their miserable old bachelor pad and
> have another microwave meal for one while scouring the dating channels
> or writing letters of complaints to themselves...

maybe they could spend some useful time helping improve the lives of
children rather than complaining when others can't manage.
From: Buddenbrooks on

"Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> Were you never a child? Did you "behave" all the time?

When I was a child there was much more separation of children from the
general public.
Pubs and many hotels were not children or pet friendly.

I follow the philosophy of live and let live, which does require people to
have a choice. You are free to have a child, there is no reason why I
should be forced to have any association with it.

We are all entitled to a small private space around us and this should be
respected.

From: Buddenbrooks on

"Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> maybe they could spend some useful time helping improve the lives of
> children rather than complaining when others can't manage.

Why? You have a child it is your responsibility. If you cant control your
child in a situation which is avoidable then don't do that activity.

I am happy to help lift a pram onto a bus, part of essential day to day
living. Children will have tantrums in Tesco's. Taking a child on a 9 hour
flight to Florida is not essential and there are other holiday options.

From: Roland Perry on
In message <Xns9DCD5DB96697Fniceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90>, at 08:12:38
on Sat, 7 Aug 2010, Mister Niceguy <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com>
remarked:
>>>I really hate screaming Mothers demanding that people are reseated to
>>>make a block free for their brood. Particularly as they seem to make a
>>>point of turning up last when all the seats have been taken.
>>
>> Which is odd when every airline (even the low-costs) board families
>> first! I suspect these groups are late because of general
>> dis-organisation and an inability to get the all the kids to do what
>> they are told when it comes to negotiating their way through the
>> departure terminal.
>
>You guys are unbelievable. What's happened to society when it doesn't
>treasure its children? How will these kids grow up - knowing that their
>sheer presence is resented as an inconvenience.

But it's not their sheer presence that's a problem - I'm happy for them
to board first, for example, and travel in a well-behaved fashion. I
don't even min babes-in-arms being free.

> A few extra seconds of your time makes a world of difference to
>parents who are having real difficulty getting youngsters through
>cumbersome airport logistics - possibly for the first time.

It's not extra seconds at stake, but the extra hand luggage and
demanding to be seated together even if last on the plane.

>Families are boarded first (or passengers thus re-arranged) so they can
>sit together. Yes. Or would you rather have a 2 year old next to you
>and their mum or dad 10 rows back? It's for your benefit as much as
>theirs.

Precisely, get there first for these perfectly acceptable concessions.
It was the late arrivers that started this discussion.

>And all this grumpiness about buggies? Would you say the same for
>wheelchairs, zimmer frames and medical apparatus?

As I'm not grumpy about buggies (but it helps if families don't leave
them behind on the apron when they get off), it's a non-question.

>Jeez, I'm glad I've never had to board my family with you.

You'd be fine if you got there on time, and then stopped your child
kicking me in the small of the back for three hours.
--
Roland Perry