From: Mxsmanic on 17 Jul 2006 04:29
> Socialism is *killing* France. What do you think is behind the 10%+
> unemployment that they just can't bring down?
Who said anything about the country in general? I was talking about
its national healthcare system.
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From: The Reid on 17 Jul 2006 06:12
Following up to Stan de SD
>> that's part of the mentality that says US must be right because
>> its "richer" so lets all flog ourselves to death to own three
>> cars and a load of useless stuff rather than have a good work
>> life balance. Ultimately your competing with the Chinese with no
>> leave, are you looking forward to celebrating 2% unemployment and
>> no days off at all?
>Nobody is forced to work as an employee in the US. People are free to start
>their own businesses if they think they can do better.
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From: Dave Frightens Me on 17 Jul 2006 10:21
On 16 Jul 2006 18:52:08 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>Dave Frightens Me wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:24:59 -0700, Go Fig <gofig(a)mac.com> wrote:
>> >In article <p27kb2t3tpb9gm0tb7ukh2spmp1ce16vg5(a)4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
>> ><mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Tchiowa writes:
>> >> > No it can't. Why? Because the very core of Socialism is to ignore the
>> >> > basics of human nature. It is also based on providing today's needs
>> >> > while ignoring tomorrow's.
>> >> None of this seems relevant to the concept of socialized medicine.
>> >So when you think of modern medical advancements, you think of France ?
>> When you think of quality of life, do you think of the USA?
>I've been in 40 or 50 countries on 5 continents. I've lived and worked
>in dozens of countries on 5 continents. When I think of quality of
>life, the US is head and shoulders above most of the others. The only
>one that comes even close is Australia. Europe doesn't have a country
>that's even in the running. There are several Asian countries I would
>put above most of Europe.
>Here's a list of the top of my head. I'm sure I missed a few: Angola,
>Australia, Belgium, Benin, Cambodia, Canada, China, Congo - DR, Congo -
>R, Denmark, England, Fiji, Finland, Germany, Germany - East (before
>unification), Hong Kong (before unification), Hungary, India,
>Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Korea - South, Latvia, Macau
>(before unification), Malaysia, Monaco, Morocco, Nepal, Netherlands,
>Nigeria, Pakistan, Papua Niugini, Philippines, Portugal, Russia,
>Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, US, Vietnam.
I wasn't trying to start a pissing contest.
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From: Tchiowa on 17 Jul 2006 22:16
> Tchiowa wrote:
> > Jordi wrote:
> > > Tchiowa wrote:
> > >
> > > See Dave's reply.
> > See my reply. Socialism fails in Medical care just as surely as it
> > fails in food.
> Still nonsense. You can't put Medical care, socialism and food in a
> single sentence without looking quite silly.
Of course you can. Socialism has been tried in both medical care and
food and fails in both. Those who don't want to give up on this failed
social experiment refuse to understand that.
> > > No. The whole idea behind think tanks is to provide people of a certain
> > > ideology with a constant flow of information to prove their political
> > > choice is the only right one.
> > And what ideology are you referring to? Wanting to accept
> > responsibility for myself? Understanding that Socialism is a sick joke
> > that always fails?
> Whatever name you want to put. You are a shining example of that people
> of a certain ideology.
> > > I'd rather have a wait-system rather than a going-bankrupt one.
> > Then why are you supporting Socialized medicine? It is going bankrupt.
> > And then you won't have to worry about going bankrupt yourself for
> > medical treatment because it wont' be available.
> I look at the figures and it's better and cheaper, for me and the
And failing. Why do you refuse to look at *that* figure.
> > >And then there is the choice of having a private insurance plan.
> > A good choice for all. Get the government out of the way.
> Not for me, I'd rather have the queuing whiners take one and stop
> saying bullshit.
> > >
> > > NHS finally paid, so it was effectively free for them, so?
> > The point is that the availability of medical care has deteriorated so
> > bady under Socialized medicine that people have to go to countries that
> > still have private care. Socialism is failing. Yet again.
> It's working fine around here, thanks for your concern.
From: Tchiowa on 17 Jul 2006 22:20
The Reid wrote:
> Following up to Stan de SD
> >> that's part of the mentality that says US must be right because
> >> its "richer" so lets all flog ourselves to death to own three
> >> cars and a load of useless stuff rather than have a good work
> >> life balance. Ultimately your competing with the Chinese with no
> >> leave, are you looking forward to celebrating 2% unemployment and
> >> no days off at all?
> >Nobody is forced to work as an employee in the US. People are free to start
> >their own businesses if they think they can do better.
I think you missed a chunk yourself.
Note that I can own 3 cars and a lot of stuff that I want (never mind
if *you* or someone else thinks it's useless) while having a great
work/life balance. A couple of months vacation a year. Or more. 40 hour
work weeks generally. More time with my family than at work.
You have been reading too many issues of the World Worker's Daily.