From: Tchiowa on 30 Jul 2006 20:55
Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> On 29 Jul 2006 20:14:53 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >The Reid wrote:
> >> sigh, more playing with words. Capitalism was successful.
> >> Communism wasn't. so the communist countries eventually collapsed
> >> and opted for capitalism. You object to "beat", fine. Was it worth saying
> >> anymore than the bollox about "have you heard of ice ages"?
> >By saying that "Capitalism beat Socialism" you imply that if it wasn't
> >for Capitalism then Socialism may have succeeded.
> Mike was implying precisely nothing of the sort, and you know it.
No, his phrasing was quite specific.
> > My very simple point
> >is that Socialism cannot succeed. Ever. Any circumstance. It is a
> >doomed philosophy.
> Yeah, blah blah blah...
> You seem to continually ignore that it's working just fine in a large
> number of very affluent countries.
You seem to continually ignore the fact that it is in fact *failing* in
all those large, affluent countries. You can almost graph the level of
Socialism and the high rate of unemployment and see the parallel. The
more Socialism the slower the economy is growing and the higher the
From: Tchiowa on 30 Jul 2006 20:58
> In message <1154228000.910380.290770(a)75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> Tchiowa <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> writes
> >NHS is government control of the "means of producing and distributing"
> >health care. Thus it is Socialized Medicine. Even the government in the
> >UK that is doing the administering freely acknowledges that.
> >And we've already seen the results. People leaving the UK for medical
> >care because the waits are too long,
> and having the fees paid by the NHS in many cases
> >the number of doctors and dentists falling,
> England only Sep 94 Sep 04
> Consultants 18155 30650
> GPs 28735 34085
> Qualified Nurses 255037 397515
10 years with an aging population and the number of doctors has grown
roughly 10%. No where near enough to keep up.
And that is why people leave the country for health care.
From: Tchiowa on 30 Jul 2006 21:07
Stan de SD wrote:
> "The Reid" <dontuse(a)fell-walker.co.uk> wrote in message
> > Following up to Mxsmanic
> > >> And yes my lifestyle is completely supportable. People have been saying
> > >> the US lifestyle isn't supportable for over half a century and we keep
> > >> improving.
> > >
> > >Any lifestyle is supportable if the population is not allowed to
> > >expand out of control.
> > to support the US lifestyle across the globe population will have
> > to start falling fast.
> Funny, but a lot of those people have been coming across the globe to the US
> to work, and be part of that lifestyle. Sounds like it's the thrid world and
> socialist lifestyles that aren't sustainable.
Don't be stepping on his Socialist fantasies like that. :-)
For just about all of recorded history there have been people saying
that we are just about to run out of resources and we have to cut back
on our way of living or perish.
That would be true under a Socialist economy. But Capitalism has the
dreaded "profit motive" that the Left despises so much. For as far back
as you can read these problems have all been solved by people as soon
as someone found a way to profit from it.
The day may come when we all have little nuclear power plants we wear
on our wrists that power our jet cars that we travel from Europe to the
US in half an hour with zero pollution. And when that day comes I can
promise you there will be a small group of people telling us that we
are about to run out of fuel for our wrist power plants and that we
can't keep expanding so we must cut the population of man on Earth and
Mars and the 3 populated Jovian satellites because the lifestyle isn't
From: Tchiowa on 30 Jul 2006 21:15
Stan de SD wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Stan de SD writes:
> > > We pick up the slack for crybabies in Europe when it comes to defense
> > The US also surpasses all of Europe put together for aggression.
> You forgetting your European buddies Hitler and Stalin?
There have been 5 major "massacres" in the past century plus 2 wars.
(I'm defining major as the deaths of at least 10 million people.)
So let's see what those 7 were:
WWI: Started in Europe
WWII: Started in Europe (by a Socialist government)
The Holocaust: All in Europe (by a Socialist government) (about 10M)
Ukraine Famine: In Europe (by a Socialist government) (about 20M)
Chinese Purges: In Asia (by a Socialist government) (about 20M)
Soviet Purges: In Europe (by a Socialist government) (about 10M)
Malaria in Africa: Disease nearly defeated returned with a vengeance.
Caused by the banning of DDT (promoted by Left Wing Enviro-nuts) (about
> > A lot of people have a vested interest in an underclass that speaks no
> > English.
> Mainly left-of-center politicians...
Yeah, you gotta love those peace loving Euro-Lefties. 100-200 million
people murdered in the last century. Great folks.
From: Tchiowa on 30 Jul 2006 21:18
Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:47:20 -0700, "Stan de SD"
> <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM(a)covad.net> wrote:
> >"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> Stan de SD writes:
> >> > We pick up the slack for crybabies in Europe when it comes to defense
> >> The US also surpasses all of Europe put together for aggression.
> >You forgetting your European buddies Hitler and Stalin?
> They are both very long dead. Believe it or not, things have changed
> since then.
Tell me all about the "change".