From: The Reid on 18 Jul 2006 10:24
Following up to Dave Frightens Me
>Some people seem to have the idea that there's a huge disparity
>between living standards in western countries. This is fairly
>mythical, and you're better off aiming for a country that you feel
>happy in instead.
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From: mrtravel on 18 Jul 2006 11:34
> I think the quality of life is higher in many European cities than in
> most of the US. You can live in the city center instead of in a
> hideous suburb, you don't need a car and don't need a long commute, and
> the average person has shorter working hours and more vacation.
Millions of Americans live in cities.
Obviously, with a higher population density, Europe has a higher
concentration of people in urban areas.
Many Americans also prefer living in suburbs over cities.
Are suburbs hideous because you can't stand grass?
> Just because Americans have bigger houses, cars and televisions than
> Europeans doesn't make their actual quality of life higher.
No, but it helps.
From: Mxsmanic on 18 Jul 2006 14:09
> Millions of Americans live in cities.
> Obviously, with a higher population density, Europe has a higher
> concentration of people in urban areas.
> Many Americans also prefer living in suburbs over cities.
> Are suburbs hideous because you can't stand grass?
There are plenty of Europeans who live in hideous suburbs and commute
just as Americans do under similar conditions.
> No, but it helps.
Yes. It's hard to see how having a larger house would not have an
impact on quality of life. Many European homes are matchboxes
compared to the average American home. A car is less important,
unless one spends a great deal of time therein. A large television is
usually more enjoyable to watch than a small television (although
Europe is actually better supplied with widescreen TVs at reasonable
prices than is the United States--but I've heard the disparity is much
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From: Tchiowa on 18 Jul 2006 20:01
> Tchiowa wrote:
> > You asked a question and I gave an answer. Of course the phrasing and
> > context of your question implied an expected negative response. So I
> > guess you were trying to start a pissing contest.
> > The fact is that the US quality of life is top of the heap.
> Actually the US comes at No. 10 on 2005 UNDP report. Norway, Iceland,
> Australia, Luxembourg, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland and Belgium
> all come first.
In a survey that starts by saying that it is an incomplete analysis:
"Although the HDI is a useful starting point, it is important to
remember that the concept of human development is much broader and more
complex than any summary measure can capture, even when supplemented by
other indices. The HDI is not a comprehensive measure. It does not
include important aspects of human development, notably the ability to
participate in the decisions that affect one's life and to enjoy the
respect of others in the community."
It's titled "going beyond income" which is another way of saying that
it's trying to measure some non-measurable standard to make those less
financially successful feel less bad about themselves.
I'll say it again: I've been all over the world. No country in Europe
comes close to the US as far as quality of life.
From: Tchiowa on 18 Jul 2006 20:03
> Tchiowa wrote:
> > > Still nonsense. You can't put Medical care, socialism and food in a
> > > single sentence without looking quite silly.
> > Of course you can. Socialism has been tried in both medical care and
> > food and fails in both. Those who don't want to give up on this failed
> > social experiment refuse to understand that.
> Repeating your failed statements will not make them any more true.
And repeating your silly analysis won't make that any more true.
You don't want to look at them together because when you do so the
failure of your position becomes obvious.
> > > > Then why are you supporting Socialized medicine? It is going bankrupt.
> > > > And then you won't have to worry about going bankrupt yourself for
> > > > medical treatment because it wont' be available.
> > >
> > > I look at the figures and it's better and cheaper, for me and the
> > > community.
> > And failing. Why do you refuse to look at *that* figure.
> It is not failing despite whatever you've been told. Go please get a life.
Get one yourself. And when you do try facing reality. Socialism is a