From: Carole Allen on 3 Aug 2006 00:54
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:44:03 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>Look at the antecedent of my original reference. The assertion was
>made that asking for donations makes me a non-professional. I pointed
>out Doctors without Borders, which has doctors and asks for donations,
>and wondered if the doctors working for that organization were no
>longer professionals because it solicits donations.
You ask for donations for your personal use. They ask for donations
to relieve suffering of others. They are not using donations to
purchase items for themselves, but to use for the organizaiton's core
purpose of aid to others.
Do you not see the difference here?
From: Carole Allen on 3 Aug 2006 00:56
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:01:12 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>I've haven't seen anyone demonstrate much in the way of skills here.
>If you want me to provide professional services, you'll have to pay me
Doyou make people pay to see your CV too? No wonder you can't get a
From: Carole Allen on 3 Aug 2006 01:06
>Carole Allen writes:
>> Actually, in order to maintain their right to practice their
>> professions they are required to complete a mimimum number of
>> professional education credits within a specific timeframe.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:32:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>How many, in what domain, and over what period?
Drs, accountants, attys. I don' t know how many for others, but attys
in WA state have to earns specific minimum CLE (continuing legal
education) credits each year, a portion of which must be ethics
credits. Judges also have to earn Judicial Education Credits, again a
portion of which are ethics. Atty licenses to practice can be
suspended for failure to earn credits, malpractice insurance can be
cancelled. Judges can face penalties as well. I think it is 45 legal
credits per year, 6 of which are ethics (not positive about those #s).
A CLE is usually a one day seminar and can earn anywhere from 3-6
credits - although 6 credits are usually 2 days CLEs. These are not
free of course; there is a tuition fee. The level of credits required
undoubtedly varies from state to state.
Teachers are also required to maintain a certain level of continuing
education credits, and many do that in the summer months when they
have a gap of 8-10 weeks.
From: Carole Allen on 3 Aug 2006 01:20
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:04:37 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>No, it does not. The whole purpose of the lawyer is to interpret the
>law for her client and make appropriate recommendations; if the client
>could do that by just reading a list of citations, he wouldn't need a
>Lawyers submit jurisprudence for the purpose of persuading other
>lawyers (such as judges). That is the last thing they would normally
>do for most clients, and if that's all they did, then they would
>certainly be falling short of their duty to clients.
>> Those that do lose their cases and clients
>Unfortunately, no. Jury trials are usually decided by factors other
>than citations of existing jurisprudence.
Anybody can READ a list of citations; interpreting those citations is
You seem to think every trial is a jury trial. In fact, jury trials
in the US are a small percentage of all cases. Many many cases are
not even entitled to jury trials - unlawful detainers (evictions),
quiet title, dissolution, estates, guardianships, dependencies,
juvenile criminal trials.
Even in criminal filings, close to 90% are resolved before trial with
And before a case (civil or criminal) ever gets to a jury there have
been lots of pretrial hearings on issues decided by a judge, who is
relying on case law and statute. Those pretrial decisions can shape
the scope of the case; with trial parameters and admissibilty of
evidence determined, the parties often engage in some form of
mediation, and a large percentage of those cases settle before trial.
And sometimes the parties waive their rights to a jury and opt to have
a bench trial with the judge the decision-maker.
How do you know how jury trials are decided? From the few involving
celebrities you read or hear about? Have you ever actually served on
From: Carole Allen on 3 Aug 2006 01:26
On 1 Aug 2006 02:20:49 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>The logic coming from these guys is right along the lines with most
>Socialist thought. They don't understand the basics of economics. They
>don't understand, for instance, that 10% growth is only sustainable for
>a short time and only when the country is relatively poor. They don't
>understand that taking what you want *NOW*!!!!! and not thinking about
>investing in the future inevitably leads to failure. They don't
>understand the value of working and earning something. They don't
>understand the inherent self-destructiveness of "I want, I want, I
>want, you pay".
Sound like Congress to me.