From: Keith Willshaw on

<barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message
news:J8CdnRJpo4-HpUvZRVnyvA(a)pipex.net...
> In article <o5dcd2tameolc2uqlapoj5k659ru99msol(a)4ax.com>,
> mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:
>

>
> In the UK, for example, universities and other credential-awarding bodies
> are certified by the government. I'm not sure how it works in other
> countries.

Invidual departments are also awarded credentials by professional
organisations. The MBA course at Leicester for example is accredited
by the Association of MBAs (AMBA). Engineering courses are typically
accredited by the relevant Institute. If your university isnt on
the IMECHE approved list any qualification is worthless.

http://www.imeche.org.uk/membership/pdf/Acc%20degree%20website%20list%20for%20June%202006.pdf

Keith


From: Dave Frightens Me on
On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:15:01 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:10:44 +0100, "JohnT"
><johnhillriseDONOTSPAM(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:vmfbd2po042t072u60c610f4on7d05b1n4(a)4ax.com...
>>> Hatunen writes:
>>>
>>>> They usually are the likes of diplomas and certifications, and as
>>>> close to proof as you can get without having attended school with
>>>> the applicant.
>>>
>>> You can get proof by watching them perform, or by examining their work
>>> records.
>>>
>>>> They are also generally verifiable by the issuing institution.
>>>
>>> What makes the issuing institution reliable?
>>>
>>
>>This question is from someone who can't understand how metered electricity
>>is charged for.
>
>and can't get enough guide work in a city with 25,000,000 tourists a
>year.

This is an important point. There is plenty of opportunity in Paris,
if one wants it.
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From: Mxsmanic on
barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

> The quality of work performed by its graduates, inter alia.

But I thought credentials were more important than performance. This
is a bit of a circular argument.

> In the UK, for example, universities and other credential-awarding bodies
> are certified by the government.

What credentials does the government have?

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From: TOliver on

"JohnT" <johnhillriseDONOTSPAM(a)gmail.com> wrote ...
>
> "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote...
>> Hatunen writes:
>>
>>> They usually are the likes of diplomas and certifications, and as
>>> close to proof as you can get without having attended school with
>>> the applicant.
>>
>> You can get proof by watching them perform, or by examining their work
>> records.
>>
>>> They are also generally verifiable by the issuing institution.
>>
>> What makes the issuing institution reliable?
>>
>
> This question is from someone who can't understand how metered electricity
> is charged for.
>
>
To give Mixed Mania his due, in the US are countless professional and trade
associations which offer training and certification programs leading to
credentialing as a "Professional" of one sort or another. Some, perhaps
many, are credible and contributory to finding "professionals" for
employment or contract relationships. Others are little more than scams.
In a field in which I was once quite active, I hold a pair of "professional
credentials" from two competing associations/organbizations...

One is meaningful, obtained after a full week of classroom study and several
months of preparation of a well-developed plan of action for an actual
existing entity, the "study" submitted for review and scoring by some arcane
formula.

I hold another, quite simply "grandfathered" by term of service in the
profession. In my eyes it's pretty meaninglerss, yet the Certificate and
the professional status one gains by having simply lasted more than a decade
and submitting a certification fee matches the one I worked for (especially
in the eyes of the federal government, so easily hoodwinked as to be
shocking in these sorts of matters).

Then there's the European (Continetntal?) tendency to be license happy....

TMO


From: TOliver on

"marika" <mcenko(a)mindspring.com> wrote...
>
> So, I look at this skeptically, but realize that there's a lot going on in
> the government that we just don't know about. And that's not paranoia,
> that's just fact. and all it does is lead to deaths
>

Laughably, some of us around for the 1950s would rightly claim that civil
rights are far, far more observed today than then, and personal liberty of
conduct, belief and speech is immeasurably greater today than then.

As for government secrecy, you've got to be kidding. Even with the most
stringent security requirements of the 50s, with which actions, programs and
materials were far more tightly "held" than today, a sieve hardly describes
the nature and extent of leakage. Today, "secret" information surfaces far
more rapidly, and between bloggers, Drudge, and dozens of other sources, one
who bothers to look can stay well ahead of the power curve, only trapped by
attempting to assign levels of credibility to sources and information.

Around when Hoover worked in Baghdad on the Potomac, let me be among the
first to assure you that not only is your reaction sophmoric (let's make
that almost as juvenile as prepubescence), but that your imagination must be
nearly as vivid as that of the conspirowackos with their black helos and
foiled-lined helmets. Conspiracies? The larger the entity the more rapidly
the conspiracy is revealed, and the federal government's capacity to mount
and continue a conspiracy ranks right up there with a classroom of 7th grade
girls.


> i heard someone joke about giving the Iraqis our Constitution because
> we're not using it anymore, this was funny, but cuts a little too close to
> home. Our rights guaranteed in that document are getting whittled away
> little by little by the cowboy-in-chief and his evil minions. So someone
> might as well get some use out of it...

Just be be clear, would you enumerate and describe which of your real or
imagined constitutional rights have been circumscribed or eleiminated
lately?

TMO