From: Hatunen on
On 6 Aug 2006 22:24:31 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)>

>Hatunen wrote:

>And it's also price control. The end receive may not be paying for it
>directly, but the NHS is paying the provide. If the NHS is dictating
>the price and the market is not allowed to operate, that's price
>control. By definition.

Gee, why didn't I think of that?

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From: Hatunen on
On 6 Aug 2006 22:25:55 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)>

>Hatunen wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:27:54 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)>
>> wrote:
>> >TOliver writes:
>> >
>> >> Conspiracies? The larger the entity the more rapidly
>> >> the conspiracy is revealed, and the federal government's capacity to mount
>> >> and continue a conspiracy ranks right up there with a classroom of 7th grade
>> >> girls.
>> >
>> >Seventh-grade girls are very good at this.
>> >
>> >> Just be be clear, would you enumerate and describe which of your real or
>> >> imagined constitutional rights have been circumscribed or eleiminated
>> >> lately?
>> >
>> >The First Amendment (freedom of speech and the press, peaceful
>> >assembly), the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search and seizure,
>> >probable cause), and the Fifth Amendment (grand jury, due process,
>> >seizure of private property) spring immediately to mind.
>> Um. Aren't you in France? So how were your First Amendment rights
>> circumscribed by the French? And why haven't you taken them to
>> court about it; that's how you enforce your First Amendment
>> rights.
>Of course I guess we should start with the question:
>"When did the First Amendment to the US Constitution start applying to
>the French?"

If you want to be obvious.

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From: Keith W on

"Hatunen" <hatunen(a)> wrote in message
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:52:33 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
> <keithnospam(a)> wrote:

>>There are no price controls as there is no price. Treatment
>>is free at the point of use.
> But there are wage controls: the amount a physician receives for
> providing the service is a form of wage control.

That is the same for any employee of an HMO or hospital.

> There are also
> price controls on what the NHS pays manufacturers for the likes
> of pharmaceuticals, etc.

Nope. They have to buy drugs on the market in the same manner
as any other health provider. Naturally they use their bargaining
position to get the best deal they can but ultimately they cant
force the drug companies to sell at a price they dont like

> If the controls take the form of a
> budget, it still constitutes a form of wage and price control.

If wishes were fishes etc.


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From: Tchiowa on

Jordi wrote:
> Tchiowa wrote:
> "not excessive" while 240 days *is* "excessive"?
> > > > Exactly where is the line drawn? Is 236 days "excessive"? 232.45168
> > > > days?
> > >
> > > So then why 7 days holiday is a 'right' and 21 days paid holiday is
> > > 'something you have to earn'. Where's the line?
> >
> > When did I say that 7 days holiday is a "right". You get what you earn.
> And at start you get 1 week, how did you earn it?

Part of your first year's salary. And for the first year most employers
don't allow it until the completion of a full 12 month's work.

> I thought you said
> earlier experience doesn't count to a new employer.

I don't recall saying that.

> > Excessive unearned vacation hurts the economy. Just that simple.
> >
> > You think you're getting a free lunch, but you're not.
> Things are not that simple. You have to take into account that more
> free time also increases expenditures, and that benefits the local
> economy plus, rested and motivated employees are more productive than
> exhausted ones.

How does more free time increase expenditures if the people with free
time don't have any more to spend?

> > > And then there comes the ultimate motivation behind working: a salary
> > > that is very likely to increase with time on the job (and not
> > > necessarily along with productivity).
> >
> > Actually it increases by both.
> Not necessarily.

But usually.

> > > > A system that rewards efforts produces results. A system where benefits
> > > > are not tied to efforts produces mediocrity.
> > >
> > > What about getting paid more?
> >
> > More pay and more benefits.
> Of which there are several, but pay still is the main force behind
> working. Still don't you think getting paid more is the best way to
> reward efforts?

So then why do you want to reduce pay in order to inflate vacation? The
vacations are costing the employer and he's going to offset it with
proportionally reduced salaries.

From: jeremyrh.geo on

Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:23:21 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)>
> wrote:
> >TOliver writes:
> >
> >> Then there's the European (Continetntal?) tendency to be license happy....
> >
> >Yes. Unfortunately, the tendency is much worse in Europe. The
> >interesting thing is that Europeans aren't any more qualified,
> They are better qualified than those who buy a US doctorate for
> USD2,250.
> > they
> >just accumulate a bigger stack of largely meaningless credentials.
> LOL and that coming from an American.
> If it is so easy in Europe and if qualifications are required to get a
> meaningful job, why not acquire some yourself?

Mixi is just sore that he is unable to practice gynaecology despite
having read several books on the subject.