From: Mxsmanic on
Tchiowa writes:

> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> > The First Amendment (freedom of speech and the press, peaceful
> > assembly), the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search and seizure,
> > probable cause), and the Fifth Amendment (grand jury, due process,
> > seizure of private property) spring immediately to mind.
>
> You wouldn't care to cite examples, would you?

1. The refusal of the government to allow persons opposed to the
actions of the President from protesting in the same proximity to him
as those who are in favor of those actions.

2. Government attempts to withhold information from the press or
punish its communication to the press.

3. Secret wiretaps, illegal wiretaps, secret intelligence courts.

4. Detention without habeas corpus, access to lawyers, definite
charges, timely and due process.

5. Civil forfeiture.

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From: barney2 on
In article <3iked29l03gmor770df3kh8jqc2m1rsgt9(a)4ax.com>,
mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:

> *From:* Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
> *Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:46:53 +0200
>
> barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
> > You can interpret credentials as a shorthand for a near-guarantee of
> > performance.
>
> So the ones I can buy for $40 on the Internet are a suitable
> substitute for experience?

No. Nobody has claimed that as far as I'm aware.
From: Mxsmanic on
barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

> In article <3iked29l03gmor770df3kh8jqc2m1rsgt9(a)4ax.com>,
> mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:
>
> > *From:* Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
> > *Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:46:53 +0200
> >
> > barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> >
> > > You can interpret credentials as a shorthand for a near-guarantee of
> > > performance.
> >
> > So the ones I can buy for $40 on the Internet are a suitable
> > substitute for experience?
>
> No. Nobody has claimed that as far as I'm aware.

You just did. You said credentials can be interpreted as shorthand
for a near-guarantee of performance. Therefore, if I buy credentials,
I acquire the ability to perform.

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From: Stanislas de Kertanguy on
Le 07/08/2006, Mxsmanic a crit :
> barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>> In article <3iked29l03gmor770df3kh8jqc2m1rsgt9(a)4ax.com>,
>> mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:
>>
>>> *From:* Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>>> *Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:46:53 +0200
>>>
>>> barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>>
>>>> You can interpret credentials as a shorthand for a near-guarantee of
>>>> performance.
>>>
>>> So the ones I can buy for $40 on the Internet are a suitable
>>> substitute for experience?
>>
>> No. Nobody has claimed that as far as I'm aware.
>
> You just did. You said credentials can be interpreted as shorthand
> for a near-guarantee of performance. Therefore, if I buy credentials,
> I acquire the ability to perform.

He obvioulsy meant serious credentials.

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From: barney2 on
In article <femed2hnsh2lf6101lpj4j97mu9ts2vshr(a)4ax.com>,
mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:

> *From:* Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
> *Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:19:41 +0200
>
> barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
> > In article <3iked29l03gmor770df3kh8jqc2m1rsgt9(a)4ax.com>,
> > mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:
> >
> > > *From:* Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
> > > *Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:46:53 +0200
> > >
> > > barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> > >
> > > > You can interpret credentials as a shorthand for a near-guarantee
> > > > of performance.
> > >
> > > So the ones I can buy for $40 on the Internet are a suitable
> > > substitute for experience?
> >
> > No. Nobody has claimed that as far as I'm aware.
>
> You just did. You said credentials can be interpreted as shorthand
> for a near-guarantee of performance. Therefore, if I buy credentials,
> I acquire the ability to perform.

If we're being pedantic, I could point out that I didn't say good or
competent performance: poor credentials, such as those bought on the
Internet for $40, might be a strong indicator if not a near-guarantee of
poor performance.

But you're being pointlessly literal-minded now, because you must know
that those are not the kind of credentials I meant.