From: Hatunen on
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:05:52 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hatunen writes:
>
>> Meanwhile, I suggestyou obtain a book on American constitutional
>> law. For isntacne, civil forfeiture is not considered
>> unconstitutional.
>
>Neither is conscription. But that doesn't make it so.

???

What, to you, determines whether something is constitutional?

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From: Hatunen on
On 7 Aug 2006 13:15:21 -0700, jeremyrh.geo(a)yahoo.com wrote:

>
>David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>deansgate wrote:
>> <jeremyrh.geo(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Martin wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:23:21 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> []
>> > > > they
>> > > >just accumulate a bigger stack of largely meaningless credentials.
>> > >
>> > > LOL and that coming from an American.
>> > >
>> > > If it is so easy in Europe and if qualifications are required to get a
>> > > meaningful job, why not acquire some yourself?
>> >
>> > Mixi is just sore that he is unable to practice gynaecology despite
>> > having read several books on the subject.
>>
>> I thought he was sore after trying to practise some of the exercises on
>> himself as an experiment.
>
>You may have hit on the origin of his "virgins don't menstruate"
>delusion!

Perhaps he doesn't know any virgins.

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From: marika on
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:25:55 -0400, Tchiowa <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hatunen wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:27:54 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >TOliver writes:
>> >
>> >> Conspiracies? The larger the entity the more rapidly
>> >> the conspiracy is revealed, and the federal government's capacity to
>> mount
>> >> and continue a conspiracy ranks right up there with a classroom of
>> 7th grade
>> >> girls.
>> >
>> >Seventh-grade girls are very good at this.
>> >
>> >> Just be be clear, would you enumerate and describe which of your
>> real or
>> >> imagined constitutional rights have been circumscribed or eleiminated
>> >> lately?
>> >
>> >The First Amendment (freedom of speech and the press, peaceful
>> >assembly), the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search and seizure,
>> >probable cause), and the Fifth Amendment (grand jury, due process,
>> >seizure of private property) spring immediately to mind.
>>
>> Um. Aren't you in France? So how were your First Amendment rights
>> circumscribed by the French? And why haven't you taken them to
>> court about it; that's how you enforce your First Amendment
>> rights.
>
> Of course I guess we should start with the question:
>
> "When did the First Amendment to the US Constitution start applying to
> the French?"
>

where are you anyway?

just curious

From: marika on
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:22:07 -0400, Tchiowa <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> TOliver writes:
>>
>> > Conspiracies? The larger the entity the more rapidly
>> > the conspiracy is revealed, and the federal government's capacity to
>> mount
>> > and continue a conspiracy ranks right up there with a classroom of
>> 7th grade
>> > girls.
>>
>> Seventh-grade girls are very good at this.
>>
>> > Just be be clear, would you enumerate and describe which of your real
>> or
>> > imagined constitutional rights have been circumscribed or eleiminated
>> > lately?
>>
>> The First Amendment (freedom of speech and the press, peaceful
>> assembly), the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search and seizure,
>> probable cause), and the Fifth Amendment (grand jury, due process,
>> seizure of private property) spring immediately to mind.
>
> You wouldn't care to cite examples, would you?
>

In the day we sweat it out in the streets of a runaway medieval dream
At night we ride through mansions of glory in the bard's machines
Sprung from cages out on footpath 9,
Spoke wheeled, 10 horses and galloping out over the line
Baby ye olde town ripeth the bones from your back
It’s a death trap, it’s a belladonna rap
We gotta get out while we’re youngeth
`cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run
From: Tchiowa on

Keith W wrote:
> "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154928271.633744.172010(a)m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >
>
> >>
> >> But there are wage controls: the amount a physician receives for
> >> providing the service is a form of wage control. There are also
> >> price controls on what the NHS pays manufacturers for the likes
> >> of pharmaceuticals, etc. If the controls take the form of a
> >> budget, it still constitutes a form of wage and price control.
> >
> > And it's also price control. The end receive may not be paying for it
> > directly, but the NHS is paying the provide. If the NHS is dictating
> > the price and the market is not allowed to operate, that's price
> > control. By definition.
>
> Reality check

Hmmm. Irrelevant statistics that have nothing to do with the concept of
price control nor do they reflect any difference in quality of medical
care and certainly say nothing about the long term financial stability
of Socialized Medicine.

> Life expectancy in the USA 77.5 years
> Infant mortality USA 7 per 1,000 live births
> US Medical costs as % GDP 15.3
> % of US medical costs spent on admin 25-30%
>
>
> Life expectancy in the UK 78.27 years
> Infant mortality UK 5.5 per 1,000 live births
> UK Medical costs as % GDP 7.7
> % of UK medical costs spent on admin 5.7 %

Life expectancy and infant mortality problems in the US are primarily
reflective of certain social ills in the US such as the proliferation
of guns and drugs. The leading cause of death of males living in inner
city US is murder, as an example.

The statistic of % to GDP and costs spent on admin are nonsensical.
They don't take into account all of the admin costs in the UK of the
government involving tax collection, etc.

But again they have nothing whatsoever to do with the specific issues
under discussion. Does this mean you finally acknowledge they are true
and are trying to shift the discussion to avoid embarrassment?