From: Tchiowa on

Jordi wrote:
> Tchiowa wrote:
> > Jordi wrote:
> > > I thought you said
> > > earlier experience doesn't count to a new employer.
> >
> > I don't recall saying that.
> Something along those lines,

No, nothing along those lines.

> you were justifying why people don't have
> to keep their holiday allowance when changing to a new job.

Try again.

In fact some employers specifically grant the additional vacation based
on previous experience as part of a "package" to recruit experienced

> > How does more free time increase expenditures if the people with free
> > time don't have any more to spend?
> Ever been to Europe?

Over 100 times in about a dozen or so countries. Primarily France and
the UK.

> There are cars, and TV sets and cellphones just like in the US, you know.

And there are cars, TVs and cellphones in Angola.

The fact is that the average European has a lower income than the
average American and has less money to spend on free time. And your
response completely ignores the question.

> > > Actually it increases by both
> > >
> > > Not necessarily.
> >
> > But usually.
> Reviewing your earlier statement now?

Not at all.

> > > Of which there are several, but pay still is the main force behind
> > > working. Still don't you think getting paid more is the best way to
> > > reward efforts?
> >
> > So then why do you want to reduce pay in order to inflate vacation? The
> > vacations are costing the employer and he's going to offset it with
> > proportionally reduced salaries.
> Told it to you before: rested and happy people make better employees.

1) You completely ducked the response. First you say pay is the best
way to reward efforts then you won't respond as to the obvious
contradiction when you support a process that reduces pay.

2) You still won't respond after repeated attempts as to why an
employee who is off over 1/3 of all days during the year is not "rested
and happy". Or why a person who works 20.5% (1800/8760) of the hours
during a year is "rested and happy" while a person who works 21.5%
(1880/8760) of the hours during a year is not. What is it about
crossing the 21% threshhold that makes work "excessive" and leaves
workers worn out and unhappy?

And when you answer those questions take note of the fact that because
of that 1% difference (along with other factors allowing the market to
function properly) the guys working the 21.5% have an enormously larger
chunk of disposable income that they can spend on relaxation and

From: David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate on
Hatunen <hatunen(a)> wrote:

> On 7 Aug 2006 13:15:21 -0700, jeremyrh.geo(a) wrote:
> >
> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> >deansgate wrote:
> >> <jeremyrh.geo(a)> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Martin wrote:
> >> > > On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:23:21 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> []
> >> > > > they
> >> > > >just accumulate a bigger stack of largely meaningless credentials.
> >> > >
> >> > > LOL and that coming from an American.
> >> > >
> >> > > If it is so easy in Europe and if qualifications are required to get a
> >> > > meaningful job, why not acquire some yourself?
> >> >
> >> > Mixi is just sore that he is unable to practice gynaecology despite
> >> > having read several books on the subject.
> >>
> >> I thought he was sore after trying to practise some of the exercises on
> >> himself as an experiment.
> >
> >You may have hit on the origin of his "virgins don't menstruate"
> >delusion!
> Perhaps he doesn't know any virgins.

Well, he knows at least one...

David Horne-
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
From: Tchiowa on

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Tchiowa writes:
> > Mxsmanic wrote:
> >
> > > The First Amendment (freedom of speech and the press, peaceful
> > > assembly), the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search and seizure,
> > > probable cause), and the Fifth Amendment (grand jury, due process,
> > > seizure of private property) spring immediately to mind.
> >
> > You wouldn't care to cite examples, would you?
> 1. The refusal of the government to allow persons opposed to the
> actions of the President from protesting in the same proximity to him
> as those who are in favor of those actions.


> 2. Government attempts to withhold information from the press or
> punish its communication to the press.


> 3. Secret wiretaps, illegal wiretaps, secret intelligence courts.

All completely within the Constitution and the law.

> 4. Detention without habeas corpus, access to lawyers, definite
> charges, timely and due process.

Gitmo detention is completley legal and within the Constitution.

> 5. Civil forfeiture.

When approved by the courts it's all completely within the

And, again, no examples. Just broad claims.

From: Tchiowa on

Hatunen wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:23:16 +0100, "Keith W"
> <keithspam(a)> wrote:
> >
> >"Hatunen" <hatunen(a)> wrote in message
> >news:21ddd2h1i3aoampcrahikv34uthdhie0k4(a)
> >> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:52:33 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
> >> <keithnospam(a)> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >>>There are no price controls as there is no price. Treatment
> >>>is free at the point of use.
> >>
> >> But there are wage controls: the amount a physician receives for
> >> providing the service is a form of wage control.
> >
> >That is the same for any employee of an HMO or hospital.
> Employees of an HMO or hospital in America are free to deek
> employment elsewhere; there is no quasi-govenmental limit on
> their pay. There are "wage" controls in America for physicians
> accepting Medicare, though, as well as mandated maximums for
> various services rendered.

But they are free to charge whatever the market will bear. There is a
limitation on how much Medicare will reimburse but the balance can be
collected through supplementary insurance (quite common) or direct

From: Karen Selwyn on
marika wrote:
> In the day we sweat it out in the streets of a runaway medieval dream
> At night we ride through mansions of glory in the bard's machines
> Sprung from cages out on footpath 9,
> Spoke wheeled, 10 horses and galloping out over the line
> Baby ye olde town ripeth the bones from your back
> It’s a death trap, it’s a belladonna rap
> We gotta get out while we’re youngeth
> `cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run

LOL! As posted, the lyrics contain enough mistakes that they qualify for
the web site -- the archive of misheard lyrics.

Karen Selwyn