Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
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From: Jordi on 8 Aug 2006 05:32 Tchiowa wrote: > > you were justifying why people don't have > > to keep their holiday allowance when changing to a new job. > > Try again. > > In fact some employers specifically grant the additional vacation based > on previous experience as part of a "package" to recruit experienced > employees. Note the 'some'. > And there are cars, TVs and cellphones in Angola. > > The fact is that the average European has a lower income than the > average American and has less money to spend on free time. And your > response completely ignores the question. In terms of Purchasing Power Parity, two EU members are above the US in GDP per capita (Luxembourg and Ireland). Also, the EU has a more even distribution of income than the US. So your point that somehow Europeans are deprived of cash to do what they want is plain false. They have, and they have more time to spend it the way they want. > > > > Actually it increases by both > > > > > > > > Not necessarily. > > > > > > But usually. > > > > Reviewing your earlier statement now? > > Not at all. You should. > > > So then why do you want to reduce pay in order to inflate vacation? The > > > vacations are costing the employer and he's going to offset it with > > > proportionally reduced salaries. > > > > Told it to you before: rested and happy people make better employees. > > 1) You completely ducked the response. First you say pay is the best > way to reward efforts then you won't respond as to the obvious > contradiction when you support a process that reduces pay. There is no process reducing pay. People who want to have the option to renounce to part of their holiday allowance and work instead if both employer and employee agree to. Very, very few do, for obvious reasons. > 2) You still won't respond after repeated attempts as to why an > employee who is off over 1/3 of all days during the year is not "rested > and happy". Or why a person who works 20.5% (1800/8760) of the hours > during a year is "rested and happy" while a person who works 21.5% > (1880/8760) of the hours during a year is not. What is it about > crossing the 21% threshhold that makes work "excessive" and leaves > workers worn out and unhappy? Again. There are no thresholds, this is social science. Playing with numbers is always fun, 1% more hours obviously sounds better than two less weeks vacation but it's still two less weeks vacation. You can as well say over 30% of the year is spent sleeping, it still means nothing. J.
From: Stanislas de Kertanguy on 8 Aug 2006 06:18 Le 08/08/2006, Mxsmanic a crit : > Stanislas de Kertanguy writes: > >> A $40 "diploma" bought on the web is not a credential. > > Why not? Beacause it has less worth than the paper on which it is written. -- remplacez "lesptt" par "laposte" pour me joindre substitute "laposte" for "lesptt" to reach me
From: The Reid on 8 Aug 2006 07:16 Following up to Jordi >So your point that somehow Europeans are deprived of cash to do what >they want is plain false. They have, and they have more time to spend >it the way they want. he doesn't want to hear that! -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
From: barney2 on 8 Aug 2006 07:54 In article <1i9fd2d038ddn4r1s8ptdmujsggssl52ck(a)4ax.com>, hatunen(a)cox.net (Hatunen) wrote: > *From:* Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> > *Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:45:22 -0700 > > On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:32:01 -0500, barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk > wrote: > > >In article <femed2hnsh2lf6101lpj4j97mu9ts2vshr(a)4ax.com>, > >mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote: > > > >> *From:* Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> > >> *Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:19:41 +0200 > >> > >> You just did. You said credentials can be interpreted as shorthand > >> for a near-guarantee of performance. Therefore, if I buy > > credentials, > >> I acquire the ability to perform. > > > >If we're being pedantic, I could point out that I didn't say good or > >competent performance: poor credentials, such as those bought on the > >Internet for $40, might be a strong indicator if not a near-guarantee > of >poor performance. > > > >But you're being pointlessly literal-minded now, because you must know > >that those are not the kind of credentials I meant. > > There's a word for it: sophistry. <mixi>What do you mean by sophistry?</mixi>
From: Jordi on 8 Aug 2006 09:59
The Reid wrote: > Following up to Jordi > > >So your point that somehow Europeans are deprived of cash to do what > >they want is plain false. They have, and they have more time to spend > >it the way they want. > > he doesn't want to hear that! > -- > He's not listening anyway :) J. |