Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
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From: Hatunen on 8 Aug 2006 23:00 On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:51:38 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote: >On 8 Aug 2006 19:48:09 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: > >> >>Mxsmanic wrote: >>> Tchiowa writes: >>> >>> > Conscription is *not* involuntary servitude ... >>> >>> You are "serving" your government, and you cannot refuse. Therefore >>> it is involuntary, and it is servitude. >> >>Involuntary servitude has a specific meaning and you can't parse it >>apart and try to change its meaning. >> >>> > ... and the courts have already rules that it doesn't violate >>> > the Consitution. >>> >>> Because they care more about the status quo than respecting the Constitution. >> >>The Constitution specifically grants the government the power to raise >>an army. >> >>> > Civil forfeiture must involve certain laws and courts and thus >>> > does, in fact, follow "due process". >>> >>> It does not allow due process because there is no conviction of >>> wrongdoing required. >> >>Nonsensical statement. Due process simply means that you have access to >>the courts and can have your rights protected. Due process does not >>require proof of wrongdoing. Arrrgh! >In fact, CIVIL mattters don't require proof, only the >preponderance of evidence. (The "c" and "v" are sooooo close together....) ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Mxsmanic on 9 Aug 2006 00:50 Hatunen writes: > It wasn't the status quo when it was first ruled constitutional. Conscription existed before it was tested by the courts, therefore it was the status quo. > Duh. You reckon that's why it's claled "civil" forfeiture? Whatever it is called, it is the seizure of property without due process. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: Mxsmanic on 9 Aug 2006 00:53 Tchiowa writes: > Involuntary servitude has a specific meaning and you can't parse it > apart and try to change its meaning. Yes. It's not voluntary, and it's service. Conscription is not voluntary, and it's service. Therefore conscription is involuntary servitude. If you could refuse a draft, then it wouldn't be, but you can't. > The Constitution specifically grants the government the power to raise > an army. But it doesn't say how, and it specifically prohibits involuntary servitude (and conscription is just that). > Nonsensical statement. Due process simply means that you have access to > the courts and can have your rights protected. Due process does not > require proof of wrongdoing. So you have no right to your property? > "Always"??? Always. Wait and see. > You don't know what rights you are talking about. Many people don't know what rights they are losing. It's always like that. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: Mxsmanic on 9 Aug 2006 00:53 Hatunen writes: > In fact, cicil mattters don't require proof, only the > preponderance of evidence. Like a telephone call? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: Mxsmanic on 9 Aug 2006 00:54
Hatunen writes: > Hm. Define what you man by the American "government". The executive, judicial, and legislative branches. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |