Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
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From: Mxsmanic on 9 Aug 2006 00:54 Hatunen writes: > Who gets to decide? The Supreme Court, in recent years. Now it's more the Executive branch. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: Mxsmanic on 9 Aug 2006 00:55 Tchiowa writes: > Yeah, I have a hard time sleeping at night thinking about these poor > people who seem to have lost some of their rights when all they did was > to maim, kill, torture thousands of Afghans, participate in terrorist > acts, and other minor infractions. The people being held did not generally do any of these things--although it's true that the definition of "terrorist acts" has become very broad. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: Tchiowa on 9 Aug 2006 01:46 Hatunen wrote: > On 8 Aug 2006 19:48:09 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >Nonsensical statement. Due process simply means that you have access to > >the courts and can have your rights protected. Due process does not > >require proof of wrongdoing. > > In fact, cicil mattters don't require proof, only the > preponderance of evidence. Actually proof by preponderance of evidence as opposed to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Either way it's "due process" by definition.
From: Tchiowa on 9 Aug 2006 01:47 Mxsmanic wrote: > Hatunen writes: > > > It wasn't the status quo when it was first ruled constitutional. > > Conscription existed before it was tested by the courts, therefore it > was the status quo. > > > Duh. You reckon that's why it's claled "civil" forfeiture? > > Whatever it is called, it is the seizure of property without due > process. ?????????????? The civil process *IS* due process. By definition.
From: Tchiowa on 9 Aug 2006 01:58
Mxsmanic wrote: > Tchiowa writes: > > > Involuntary servitude has a specific meaning and you can't parse it > > apart and try to change its meaning. > > Yes. It's not voluntary, and it's service. Conscription is not > voluntary, and it's service. Therefore conscription is involuntary servitude. I told you before you can't take the words apart and analyze the meaning of each word then come up with a definition of the whole. Involuntary servitude has a specific meaning as the combined words and the way it is used in the Constitution, a draft does not qualify. > If you could refuse a draft, then it wouldn't be, but you can't. > > > The Constitution specifically grants the government the power to raise > > an army. > > But it doesn't say how, and it specifically prohibits involuntary > servitude (and conscription is just that). No it isn't. Pay attention. > > Nonsensical statement. Due process simply means that you have access to > > the courts and can have your rights protected. Due process does not > > require proof of wrongdoing. > > So you have no right to your property? Yes, but they aren't absolute. Eminent domain is very much Constitutional. You have your right to freedom. But it can be taken away from you *with due process*. Same with your property rights. > > "Always"??? > > Always. Wait and see. > > > You don't know what rights you are talking about. > > Many people don't know what rights they are losing. It's always like that. And many people don't know much about reality which seems to be your basic problem on this issue. |