Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
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From: Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer on 9 Aug 2006 13:06 Perpetually unemployed troll/netkook/pedophile/psychopath Michael Voight "mrtravel" wrote: >Mxsmanic wrote: > >> Keith W writes: >> >> >>>If you use 200 kw hours , your meter records it, they push that >>>much onto the grid and you pay them for it. >> >> >> How can they do that in time to cover your usage? >> > >How do banks work? >When you write a check, does the money immediately get removed from your >account? How do jails work? When you got caught molesting your daughter, did you immediately get thrown in the slammer? #################################################################### Usenet Public Service Announcement The "mrtravel" psycho: - suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder - is a 48 year old unemployed loser, alcoholic, drug addict/dealer - has been trolling usenet and flooding newsgroups for TWO DECADES - has been harassing and stalking usenet posters for TWO DECADES - is a known criminal, in trouble with the law since he was a teenager - has no life outside usenet, is online trolling/harassing/stalking 24/7 - is such a loser he often responds to posts within one or two minutes - is a known liar and bullshitter, lies about everything - was fired by Cisco in early 2005 for doing all of the above from work - likes to make death threats - is a known pedophile and child sexual predator - is a known importer of Russian whores looking for fast cheap green cards If you are one of his victims, report him to Scotts Valley police: Michael D. Voight, aka "mrtravel" 111 Bean Creek Rd, Unit 117 or 118* Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4148 (831) 438-2485 *the psycho says he lives in Unit 118, but other sources say it's 117 Scotts Valley PD One Civic Center Drive Scotts Valley, CA 95066 (831) 440-5670 Police Chief Steve Lind s l i n d @ s c o t t s v a l l e y . o r g http://www.scottsvalleypd.com Also contact the Scotts Valley mayor: Paul Marigonda m a r i g o n d @ p a c b e l l . n e t About the "mrtravel" psycho - FAQ http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.cruises/msg/f207022ace08c90c More info on the psycho http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.travel.cruises/msg/25a7ed8ad9d9d920 mrtravel's drug abuse http://groups-beta.google.com/group/ba.general/msg/f0c64751c93c3e2c mrtravel's wife left him http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.air/msg/6828ed1eb3843662
From: Hatunen on 9 Aug 2006 19:31 On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:54:23 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hatunen writes: > >> So your claim is that the judiciary has no interest in civil >> rights? > >Its interest seems to be diminishing. Eh? The Supreme Court can only address questions brought before it so it's not clear what you man by that. ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on 9 Aug 2006 19:32 On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:04:28 +0100, The Reid <dontuse(a)fell-walker.co.uk> wrote: >Following up to Hatunen > >>>>For >>>>instancve, the courts have already ruled that American citizens >>>>do not lose their rights when detained at Guantanamo. >>> >>>pity about everybody else. >> >>There is a serious question there, of course. > >of course. But it's not the same one. ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on 9 Aug 2006 19:40 On 9 Aug 2006 02:55:39 -0700, "Jordi" <jordi.uso(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >Tchiowa wrote: >> Jordi wrote: >> > >> > Note the 'some'. >> >> Exactly right. Each employer can do as he chooses. And if I am looking >> for a job and one employer makes a better offer than another I choose >> him. So the other employer has to "catch up" if he wants to compete. >> > >So? It's irrelevant to what we were talking about here. > >> >> > In terms of Purchasing Power Parity, two EU members are above the US in >> > GDP per capita (Luxembourg and Ireland). >> >> First, note that PPP is a subjective measure. And particularly when you >> get to things like travel (this is a travel group) those prices are >> fairly constant internationally so the PPP distorts that. > >So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to travel? >And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look at >how many Americans have a passport). Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad. A great many of the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport (so far, anyway). Athough I do have a passport I don't need it to visit the foreign country just 100 km from my house, which I do several times a year. >> Second, when you point out that only 2 individual members have better >> PC GDP than the average of the US you are acknowledging that, taken as >> a whole, Europe is in worse economic shape than the US. > >So is Japan, and nobody suggests Japanese don't have money to spend >while on holiday. > > >> Third, you are taking pieces of the whole in Europe and comparing them >> with the whole in the US. Try comparing pieces against pieces. Take the >> best countries in the EU and compare them with the best states in the >> US. A more accurate comparison. And the same result as I pointed out. >> Europe has a poor economy compared with the US. And this employment >> policy is one (of several) reason. > >How do you weigh happier citizens with that? > >> > Also, the EU has a more even distribution of income than the US. >> >> Yes. Evenly low. > >There are more average Europeans than average Americans, that means >someone is doing things well. > > >> > So your point that somehow Europeans are deprived of cash to do what >> > they want is plain false. They have, and they have more time to spend >> > it the way they want. >> >> Your "so" doesn't follow at all from your data. >> >> And I didn't say Euros are "deprived of cash" I said that they have >> less than Americans. And they do. You pointing out that only 2 >> countries in the EU have a better PC GDP than the average of the US >> proves that. > >You're not following the discussion. When told that Europeans enjoy >more vacation than Americans you replied what's the use if they don't >have money to spend on them. > >That is absolutely not the case. > >> > > 1) You completely ducked the response. First you say pay is the best >> > > way to reward efforts then you won't respond as to the obvious >> > > contradiction when you support a process that reduces pay. >> > >> > There is no process reducing pay. People who want to have the option to >> > renounce to part of their holiday allowance and work instead if both >> > employer and employee agree to. >> >> ????? The pay is reduced from the outset. You just described how you >> can recover part of that reduction by renouncing vacation. By doing so >> you acknowledge that the pay is lower than it would be it there were >> less vacation. So you proved yet another of my points > >Grasping at straws again, you're jumping from one subject to the other. > >You first said giving more holiday is a great way to motivate somehow >implying that European business don't reward efforts. Then I replied: >that's false, they get more benefits but especially more pay (the >ultimate reason for which the individual works). > >Then, you make a nice leap totally overlooking the question: 'if people >work for money, why do they want more holiday and less money'. > >The answer is plain simple, I don't need to tell you again. > >> > Again. There are no thresholds, this is social science. >> >> Your'e the one who claimed that this is some how excessive and causes >> stress. Explain the difference. > >It's simple: excessive work causes stress but there is no way to >calculate how much is excessive as it depends on every individual and >work position. > >People are happier with more holiday, and there is no way to >demonstrate the optimum working time (be it 2, 4 or 6 hours holiday) so >we'd better go for the point where the maximum people are happy and >it's still economically viable. > >> > Playing with numbers is always fun, 1% more hours obviously sounds >> > better than two less weeks vacation but it's still two less weeks >> > vacation. >> >> And what does that mean? Maybe 2 weeks more vacation causes family >> stress, boredom, loss of skills, etc. > >Just if you don't know how to keep a good life/work balance. Work >addiction is quite a problem on developed societies. > >You're the one claiming that >> somehow 4 weeks vacation is the magically correct level and 2 weeks of >> vacation is slavery. Justify it. > >Last time I was on the US (June), I read on an USA today column that >most Americans would give up some pay in exchange for more free time. > >That is also true for many European countries so 4 weeks is not >necessarily correct, but it's still better than 2. > >> >> > You can as well say over 30% of the year is spent sleeping, it still >> > means nothing. >> >> No, it means that which ever number you use, you spend more time >> sleeping than you do working. So how is that stressful? > >Because working makes up for more than half the time you are awake, >conscious and actually doing things, every bit you can shave off it is >more time to do whatever you want (family, friends, reading, etc.). How do you get half the time? I am asleep about 56 hours a week leaving 112 hours. If I work 40 hours a week, that's 36% of my waking hours. Even if I add in two hours a day for commuting five days a week it still isn't 50%. ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on 9 Aug 2006 19:41
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:12:13 GMT, mrtravel <mrtravel(a)bcglobal.net> wrote: >Mxsmanic wrote: > >> Keith W writes: >> >> >>>If you use 200 kw hours , your meter records it, they push that >>>much onto the grid and you pay them for it. >> >> >> How can they do that in time to cover your usage? >> > >How do banks work? >When you write a check, does the money immediately get removed from your >account? You not only bit his hook, you tightened it. ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |