From: Tchiowa on

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Dave Frightens Me writes:
>
> > If drugs are involved, it's usually a criminal matter.
>
> The prosecution of the crime is a criminal matter, but the seizure of
> property is not.

That's because property can't commit a crime. But the civil forfeiture
is a result of the criminal conduct. And it all has to be approved by a
judge.

Therefore "due process".

From: The Reid on
Following up to Hatunen

>>other countries
>
>So Mexico and Canada and the Caribbean islands are "abroad", even
>for Americans.

any reason they wouldn't be?
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From: Mxsmanic on
Tchiowa writes:

> That's because property can't commit a crime. But the civil forfeiture
> is a result of the criminal conduct. And it all has to be approved by a
> judge.

Criminal conduct is decided by a jury, not a judge. And civil
forfeiture occurs before anything is proved by anyone. Therefore, no
due process.

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From: Jim Ley on
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:41:54 +0100, The Reid
<dontuse(a)fell-walker.co.uk> wrote:

>Following up to JohnT
>
>>>>>> The average European family has a home, car, computer, mobile phone,
>>>>>> cable-TV and whatever else the American family has, and has more time
>>>>>> to enjoy it together.
>
>>> We have two of each so together we are above average.
>>
>>Which we already knew ;)
>
>we've got 1 home, 2 cars, 3 computers at least, 3 phones, still
>have cable TV for the moment, I've also got a top of the range
>Swiss army knife, no microwave and my wife has a number of cuddly
>toys.

No home, 1 car, 5 or more maybe computers, 2 phones, 1 digital TV
service - should help the average if it's on households, the lack of
the home might hurt if that's taken into account...

Jim.
From: Padraig Breathnach on
The Reid <dontuse(a)fell-walker.co.uk> wrote:

>we've got 1 home, 2 cars, 3 computers at least, 3 phones, still
>have cable TV for the moment, I've also got a top of the range
>Swiss army knife, no microwave and my wife has a number of cuddly
>toys.

Herself doesn't need cuddly toys; she's got me.

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