From: Jordi on

Hatunen wrote:
>
> But I guess you missed the part above where I said "Mexican by
> either birth or *ancestry*. Even the Mexican by birth here in the
> USA may not have a Mexican passports.

Without numbers we will have to wait until the passport requirement is
introduced.


J.

From: Sarah Banick on

"Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155257645.367072.245410(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> The Reid wrote:
>> Following up to Hatunen
>>
>> >>So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to travel?
>> >>And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look at
>> >>how many Americans have a passport).
>> >
>> >Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad.
>>
>> that of course doesn't make it untrue.
>
> But it makes the original statement irrelevant.
>
>> >A great many of
>> >the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport
>> >(so far, anyway).
>>
>> what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and
>> who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not
>> interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US
>> doesn't need passports?
>
> Your question is nonsensical. The fact that Europe is Balkanized means
> that a trip in Europe that is "abroad" and requires a passport would be
> a domestic trip in the US.
>
> Instead try asking how many people in the US travel away from home and
> how far the typical trip is and compare with Europe. You'll find that
> Americans travel more.

Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is
true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or
region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. Their
typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park.

I still agree with the others. An American driving from say, Virginia to
California, may cover a lot of territory, but he's still in the same culture
(all California jokes aside), he's still watching the same television
programs, speaking the same language, and not using a passport or being
exposed to the many quirks (for lack of a better word) of international
travel.


From: mrtravel on
Sarah Banick wrote:
>
> Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is
> true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or
> region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. Their
> typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park.

Do you think the people in the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder in
OTHER countries spend a lot of time traveling?
From: Hatunen on
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:41:54 +0100, The Reid
<dontuse(a)fell-walker.co.uk> wrote:

>Following up to Hatunen
>
>>>other countries
>>
>>So Mexico and Canada and the Caribbean islands are "abroad", even
>>for Americans.
>
>any reason they wouldn't be?

Somebody might have a reason, so I think clarifying the terms is
important.

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From: Hatunen on
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:24:25 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Tchiowa writes:
>
>> That's because property can't commit a crime. But the civil forfeiture
>> is a result of the criminal conduct. And it all has to be approved by a
>> judge.
>
>Criminal conduct is decided by a jury, not a judge.

You really shouldn't post on legal matters when you only know a
little about them; a little learning can be a dnagerous thing, to
coin a phrase.

In fact, many criminal trials are held before a judge without a
jury.

>And civil
>forfeiture occurs before anything is proved by anyone.

In civil matters "proof" is not a criterion.

>Therefore, no due process.

Rubbish.

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