From: Hatunen on
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:41:54 +0100, The Reid
<dontuse(a)> wrote:

>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>> The average European family has a home, car, computer, mobile phone,
>>> cable-TV and whatever else the American family has, and has more time
>>> to enjoy it together.
>>If only that were actually true.
>I assume its largely true then, except for some trivial nitpick.
>Why is *cable* TV important? I'm about to ditch mine.

Well, I've seen Finnish TV without cable, and trust me, cable is

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From: Jim Ley on
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:59:48 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<padraigb(a)> wrote:

>jim(a) (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>No home, 1 car, 5 or more maybe computers, 2 phones, 1 digital TV
>>service - should help the average if it's on households, the lack of
>>the home might hurt if that's taken into account...
>Whatever about finding a home for yourself, surely you can find
>somebody to give a home to your digital TV service.

Why do I need a home for it, it's tiny, it plugs into the USB.

From: Hatunen on
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:34:59 -0400, "Sarah Banick"
<sbanick(a)> wrote:

>"Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)> wrote in message
>> The Reid wrote:
>>> Following up to Hatunen
>>> >>So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to travel?
>>> >>And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look at
>>> >>how many Americans have a passport).
>>> >
>>> >Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad.
>>> that of course doesn't make it untrue.
>> But it makes the original statement irrelevant.
>>> >A great many of
>>> >the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport
>>> >(so far, anyway).
>>> what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and
>>> who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not
>>> interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US
>>> doesn't need passports?
>> Your question is nonsensical. The fact that Europe is Balkanized means
>> that a trip in Europe that is "abroad" and requires a passport would be
>> a domestic trip in the US.
>> Instead try asking how many people in the US travel away from home and
>> how far the typical trip is and compare with Europe. You'll find that
>> Americans travel more.
>Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is
>true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or
>region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder.

I suspect the same claims can be made for Europeans of a lower
socioeconomic status.

In the USA even those of lower socioeconomic status sometimes go
to visit relatives several states away.

>Their typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park.

That's true for almost everyone in the USA. Why wouldn't one go
to nearny attrqctions?

>I still agree with the others. An American driving from say, Virginia to
>California, may cover a lot of territory, but he's still in the same culture
>(all California jokes aside), he's still watching the same television
>programs, speaking the same language, and not using a passport or being
>exposed to the many quirks (for lack of a better word) of international

True, but I think that's a different question.

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From: Mxsmanic on
Hatunen writes:

> In civil matters "proof" is not a criterion.

In all matters depriving persons of property or liberty, due process
is a necessary prerequisite, according to the Constitution.

Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: mrtravel on
Hatunen wrote:

> In civil matters "proof" is not a criterion.

Really? There is no need for evidence?