From: mrtravel on 11 Aug 2006 12:20 JohnT wrote: > "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ht9pd2959okb32ouvg1o6jsjhjtgahflp7(a)4ax.com... > >>Hatunen writes: >> >> >>>In civil matters "proof" is not a criterion. >> >>In all matters depriving persons of property or liberty, due process >>is a necessary prerequisite, according to the Constitution. > > > The FRENCH Constitution? Weren't we discussing US states that permit confiscation of property used or gained from criminal activity?
From: Mxsmanic on 11 Aug 2006 12:23 JohnT writes: > The FRENCH Constitution? The American Constitution. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: Sarah Banick on 11 Aug 2006 12:27 "Hatunen" <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:mq9pd25t3576ptisul4t2r2kruorkl5l5b(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:34:59 -0400, "Sarah Banick" > <sbanick(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >> >>"Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:1155257645.367072.245410(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> The Reid wrote: >>>> Following up to Hatunen >>>> >>>> >>So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to travel? >>>> >>And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look >>>> >>at >>>> >>how many Americans have a passport). >>>> > >>>> >Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad. >>>> >>>> that of course doesn't make it untrue. >>> >>> But it makes the original statement irrelevant. >>> >>>> >A great many of >>>> >the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport >>>> >(so far, anyway). >>>> >>>> what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and >>>> who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not >>>> interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US >>>> doesn't need passports? >>> >>> Your question is nonsensical. The fact that Europe is Balkanized means >>> that a trip in Europe that is "abroad" and requires a passport would be >>> a domestic trip in the US. >>> >>> Instead try asking how many people in the US travel away from home and >>> how far the typical trip is and compare with Europe. You'll find that >>> Americans travel more. >> >>Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is >>true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or >>region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. > > I suspect the same claims can be made for Europeans of a lower > socioeconomic status. > > In the USA even those of lower socioeconomic status sometimes go > to visit relatives several states away. > >>Their typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park. > > That's true for almost everyone in the USA. Why wouldn't one go > to nearny attrqctions? > >>I still agree with the others. An American driving from say, Virginia to >>California, may cover a lot of territory, but he's still in the same >>culture >>(all California jokes aside), he's still watching the same television >>programs, speaking the same language, and not using a passport or being >>exposed to the many quirks (for lack of a better word) of international >>travel. > > True, but I think that's a different question. No, its the question I was responding to. No matter what socioeconomic class you are, an Englishman can get across the Channel to France much quicker (and probably cheaper) than I can get to the nearest beach.
From: JohnT on 11 Aug 2006 12:39 "Sarah Banick" <sbanick(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:uIKdndMvdaOwLUHZnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > > "Hatunen" <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote in message > news:mq9pd25t3576ptisul4t2r2kruorkl5l5b(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:34:59 -0400, "Sarah Banick" >> <sbanick(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:1155257645.367072.245410(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> The Reid wrote: >>>>> Following up to Hatunen >>>>> >>>>> >>So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to >>>>> >>travel? >>>>> >>And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look >>>>> >>at >>>>> >>how many Americans have a passport). >>>>> > >>>>> >Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad. >>>>> >>>>> that of course doesn't make it untrue. >>>> >>>> But it makes the original statement irrelevant. >>>> >>>>> >A great many of >>>>> >the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport >>>>> >(so far, anyway). >>>>> >>>>> what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and >>>>> who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not >>>>> interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US >>>>> doesn't need passports? >>>> >>>> Your question is nonsensical. The fact that Europe is Balkanized means >>>> that a trip in Europe that is "abroad" and requires a passport would be >>>> a domestic trip in the US. >>>> >>>> Instead try asking how many people in the US travel away from home and >>>> how far the typical trip is and compare with Europe. You'll find that >>>> Americans travel more. >>> >>>Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is >>>true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or >>>region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. >> >> I suspect the same claims can be made for Europeans of a lower >> socioeconomic status. >> >> In the USA even those of lower socioeconomic status sometimes go >> to visit relatives several states away. >> >>>Their typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park. >> >> That's true for almost everyone in the USA. Why wouldn't one go >> to nearny attrqctions? >> >>>I still agree with the others. An American driving from say, Virginia to >>>California, may cover a lot of territory, but he's still in the same >>>culture >>>(all California jokes aside), he's still watching the same television >>>programs, speaking the same language, and not using a passport or being >>>exposed to the many quirks (for lack of a better word) of international >>>travel. >> >> True, but I think that's a different question. > > No, its the question I was responding to. No matter what socioeconomic > class you are, an Englishman can get across the Channel to France much > quicker (and probably cheaper) than I can get to the nearest beach. I suppose it depends on where you live, but I am in North East England and it is almost 400 miles from here to the Channel. And I can't fly to France out of NCL today because all flights have been cancelled. JohnT
From: Sarah Banick on 11 Aug 2006 13:03
>>> True, but I think that's a different question. >> >> No, its the question I was responding to. No matter what socioeconomic >> class you are, an Englishman can get across the Channel to France much >> quicker (and probably cheaper) than I can get to the nearest beach. > I suppose it depends on where you live, but I am in North East England and > it is almost 400 miles from here to the Channel. And I can't fly to France > out of NCL today because all flights have been cancelled. > > JohnT > Yeah, well, suppose I was in Montana -- more than 1000 from any ocean or the Gulf... |