From: JohnT on

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jim Ley writes:
>
>> Interesting claim you're making, and one which has little basis in
>> fact, it will of course depend on what technology your mobile phone is
>> operating on, as certain formats rely on very accurate clocks and send
>> the exact time to the phone, they're likely a lot more accurate than
>> your watch.
>
> My watch is accurate to 1 second in three million years. No cellphone
> does better than that.


You would only be able to verify that claim if you measured the time errors
over 3 million years. Not even you could do that.

JohnT


From: Jim Ley on
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:47:58 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Jim Ley writes:
>
>> You're assuming the inconvenience was the getting it out of the
>> pocket, rather than the remembering to carry, transfer between
>> clothes, risk of losing etc.
>
>No. Pocket watches were often attached to a chain that could in turn
>be attached to clothing, precisely for the purpose of preventing what
>you describe.

How does a chain make you remember to transfer it between clothes, or
remember to have it with you?

Jim.
From: Jim Ley on
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:49:05 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Jim Ley writes:
>
>> Interesting claim you're making, and one which has little basis in
>> fact, it will of course depend on what technology your mobile phone is
>> operating on, as certain formats rely on very accurate clocks and send
>> the exact time to the phone, they're likely a lot more accurate than
>> your watch.
>
>My watch is accurate to 1 second in three million years. No cellphone
>does better than that.

How do you update it for leap-seconds?

>In fact, I wasn't aware of any cellphones that do anything to keep
>accurate time. Which ones have such a feature?

It's not a function of the phone, it's a function of the network -
anything that is CDMA based or the majority of the 3G methods (AIUI)
have clocks synchronised with the base-station, which are GPS sync'd.

Jim.
From: Jim Ley on
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:51:39 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Miguel Cruz writes:
>
>> In some places (e.g., USA) the time on the phone is set by the network
>> and I must assume that's very precise.
>
>It depends on the network; they don't necessarily set their clocks
>carefully, although the smart ones do.

If they didn't set them accurately (well if they didn't set them all
to be the same to a reference clock, the only available reference
clock being the GPS clock system) then their network would stop
working, accurate clocks are essential for the protocols.

>Yes. I want it to be perpetually correct within a fraction of a
>second.

Why? For what purpose?

Jim.
From: Jim Ley on
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:52:04 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>mrtravel writes:
>
>> A lot of them are time synced. My phone changes timezones when turned on
>> after arriving in a new timezone.
>
>To what source are they synced?

GPS Atomic clocks

Jim.