From: Hatunen on
On 14 Aug 2006 07:46:56 -0700, "Jordi" <jordi.uso(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Tchiowa wrote:
>> Jordi wrote:
>> > Tchiowa wrote:
>> >
>> > In this context, it's a matter of grade and word choice.
>>
>> No, in this context it's the core of what works and what doesn't work.
>
>In your black & white world, perhaps.
>
>> >
>> > In terms of distance, it is, in cultural terms a trip from Athens to
>> > Berlin is a greater 'distance'.
>>
>> Nonsense. The difference in culture between New York City, San
>> Francisco, Miami, New Orleans are every bit as great.
>
>No, they're not.

In many ways they really are. For instance, if you spend any time
in Miami you will quickly realize it is a Caribbean city.

A couple decades ago tehre was a book called "The Nine Nations of
North America", a fascinating read even if some of it is out of
date (for instance calling the nation around the Great lakes in
Canada and the USA "The Factory", now know as "The Rust Belt").
The author defines a nation he calls "The Islands" consisting of
the area of the Caribbean and the southern part of florida; he
names its "capital" as Miami, the place where wheelers and
dealers meat to arrange financing and set policies for that
region.


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From: Hatunen on
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:29:37 -0400, "Sarah Banick"
<sbanick(a)mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1155553226.039353.23180(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Sarah Banick wrote:
>>> "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1155257645.367072.245410(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> > Instead try asking how many people in the US travel away from home and
>>> > how far the typical trip is and compare with Europe. You'll find that
>>> > Americans travel more.
>>>
>>> Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is
>>> true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or
>>> region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder.
>>> Their
>>> typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park.
>>
>> You're wrong about that. There was a study done a few years ago about
>> Americans living below the poverty line and the majority of them took
>> annual vacations away from home.
>
>Let's see those stats. A link will do.
>
>
>>
>>> I still agree with the others. An American driving from say, Virginia to
>>> California, may cover a lot of territory, but he's still in the same
>>> culture
>>> (all California jokes aside), he's still watching the same television
>>> programs, speaking the same language, and not using a passport or being
>>> exposed to the many quirks (for lack of a better word) of international
>>> travel.
>>
>> Culture the same in New Orleans and New York?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>
>What, they don't watch American Idol, argue about the administration in
>Washington, pay social security and federal income tax, and celebrate the
>fourth of July? The food and accents, and some state laws, are different,
>that's all. I charge you to find more differences than similarities between
>New York and New Orleans.

What? Europeans don't watch American television, argue about the
administration in Brussels, pay VAT taxes and converge to a
uniformity of EU imposed laws?

As for me, I have found New York and New Orleans to have very
different cultures, perhaps because I grew up in a still
different culture: the Midwest. And San Francisco??? I've lived
there; it's different.

Business culture is converging to a sort of international
culture, no matter the country.


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From: Hatunen on
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:53:19 -0500, barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk
wrote:

>In article <1155554095.885415.252240(a)m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
>tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com (Tchiowa) wrote:
>
>> *From:* "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com>
>> *Date:* 14 Aug 2006 04:14:55 -0700
>>
>>
>> The Reid wrote:
>> > Following up to Sarah Banick
>> >
>> > >Hey, watch your attributions. I know that it's only the Balkans that
>> > are
>> > >balkanized (they are mountained?)
>> >
>> > Ah, I see, you have quoted text without quote thingies. Trying to
>> > trick me, hah. You were lucky I didint do a long explanation of
>> > the history of Europe and the European colonies and how native
>> > americans, if left alone would have become small nation states,
>> > so its one of the loons who thinks Europe "Balkanised", one of
>> > the ones I dont read anymore I expect, Tchowa reverse engineered
>> > history, possibly?
>>
>> Balkanized is a term that came into common use during the 1990s when
>> Yugoslavia came apart and the Balkans erupted into war.
>
>It was in common use before that - I suspect it dates from the Balkan wars
>of the early C20.

You mean 19th century. Well, actually, clear back to the crash of
the Western Roman Empire.

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From: barney2 on
In article <ucf1e2p53urprdumvvg3ack6m738cqhl29(a)4ax.com>, hatunen(a)cox.net
(Hatunen) wrote:

> *From:* Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net>
> *Date:* Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:15:36 -0700
>
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:53:19 -0500, barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk
> wrote:
>
> >In article <1155554095.885415.252240(a)m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> >tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com (Tchiowa) wrote:
> >
> >> *From:* "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com>
> >> *Date:* 14 Aug 2006 04:14:55 -0700
> >>
> >>
> >> The Reid wrote:
> >> > Following up to Sarah Banick
> >> >
> >> > >Hey, watch your attributions. I know that it's only the Balkans
> > > that >are
> >> > >balkanized (they are mountained?)
> >> >
> >> > Ah, I see, you have quoted text without quote thingies. Trying to
> >> > trick me, hah. You were lucky I didint do a long explanation of
> >> > the history of Europe and the European colonies and how native
> >> > americans, if left alone would have become small nation states,
> >> > so its one of the loons who thinks Europe "Balkanised", one of
> >> > the ones I dont read anymore I expect, Tchowa reverse engineered
> >> > history, possibly?
> >>
> >> Balkanized is a term that came into common use during the 1990s when
> >> Yugoslavia came apart and the Balkans erupted into war.
> >
> >It was in common use before that - I suspect it dates from the Balkan
> wars >of the early C20.
>
> You mean 19th century. Well, actually, clear back to the crash of
> the Western Roman Empire.

I was thinking of the ones just before WWI - but you're right, whatever
the age of the word (which was the point I was addressing), the phenomenon
it describes has been going on for a very long time.
From: Tchiowa on

Sarah Banick wrote:
> "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155553226.039353.23180(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Sarah Banick wrote:
> >> "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1155257645.367072.245410(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> > Instead try asking how many people in the US travel away from home and
> >> > how far the typical trip is and compare with Europe. You'll find that
> >> > Americans travel more.
> >>
> >> Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is
> >> true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or
> >> region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder.
> >> Their
> >> typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park.
> >
> > You're wrong about that. There was a study done a few years ago about
> > Americans living below the poverty line and the majority of them took
> > annual vacations away from home.
>
> Let's see those stats. A link will do.

Check the Heritage Foundation's website. Lots of studies to read.

> >> I still agree with the others. An American driving from say, Virginia to
> >> California, may cover a lot of territory, but he's still in the same
> >> culture
> >> (all California jokes aside), he's still watching the same television
> >> programs, speaking the same language, and not using a passport or being
> >> exposed to the many quirks (for lack of a better word) of international
> >> travel.
> >
> > Culture the same in New Orleans and New York?
> >
> > I don't think so.
>
> What, they don't watch American Idol, argue about the administration in
> Washington, pay social security and federal income tax, and celebrate the
> fourth of July?

That's "culture" to you? The speak slightly different languages, a lot
of different foods, different types of entertainment, music, movies,
etc.

> The food and accents, and some state laws, are different,
> that's all. I charge you to find more differences than similarities between
> New York and New Orleans.

I charge you to find more differences than similarites between
Amsterdam and Brussels.