Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
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From: Tchiowa on 16 Aug 2006 00:13 Dave Frightens Me wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:43:22 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote: > > >On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:34:13 +0200, Dave Frightens Me > ><deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote: > > > >>On 14 Aug 2006 18:09:13 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>>No. Just pointing out the fact that the reason so many Euros have > >>>passports is due to hatred and bigotry, not some cultural superiority > >>>as has been implied. > >> > >>Very bizzare response. > > > >Not as bizarre as it looks at first glance. Passports are a > >result of World War One. > > His inclusion of the phrase "so many" suggests that's not what he > meant. Wrong yet again. This part of the thread started when someone (I forget who) was trying to claim some type of superiority for Euros because more Euros have passports than Americans. Well the reason is not because of any cultural reason but because Europe is split up into tiny countries while the US is not. And the reason that Europe is split up is primarily due to generations of hatred and bigotry. Thus the reason that Europeans have passports is because Europeans *need* passports to travel and that is because of the history of bigotry and hatred that has kept the continent chopped up into small political units.
From: Carole Allen on 16 Aug 2006 00:36 On 15 Aug 2006 21:13:20 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Wrong yet again. This part of the thread started when someone (I forget >who) was trying to claim some type of superiority for Euros because >more Euros have passports than Americans. Well the reason is not >because of any cultural reason but because Europe is split up into tiny >countries while the US is not. And the reason that Europe is split up >is primarily due to generations of hatred and bigotry. Thus the reason >that Europeans have passports is because Europeans *need* passports to >travel and that is because of the history of bigotry and hatred that >has kept the continent chopped up into small political units. > The US is just split up into 50 states...hmmm..and polarized ones at that... and Europeans can travel between most countries without going through any kind of passport control.
From: Hatunen on 16 Aug 2006 01:18 On 15 Aug 2006 20:29:03 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Dave Frightens Me wrote: >> On 14 Aug 2006 18:09:13 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >Jordi wrote: >> >> >> No, they're not. >> > >> >Spoken like a true Euro who have never been to the US. >> > >> >Before you come up with the "smart" response, I've been to Europe >> >probably 100 times and visited a large number of European countries. >> >> Nice one. How come you have such an odd view of Europe? Is it because >> you are lying? > >No, it's because I've been all over the world and have had the >opportunity to compare various cultures. > >> >> There's history, you see. Are you by any chance pretending the US is >> >> exempt from those? >> > >> >No. Just pointing out the fact that the reason so many Euros have >> >passports is due to hatred and bigotry, not some cultural superiority >> >as has been implied. >> >> Very bizzare response. > >Yes, I find European history quite odd myself. I assume that you're not >trying to claim that the reasons that Europe is chopped up into a few >dozen small countries is *not* because of the hatred and bigotry that >has marked your entire history. That's a very over-simplified view of European history. It's been "chopped up" since the fall of the Roman Empire and the onset of the Dark Ages, when communications and transportation became so difficult that each small area became isolated. And when it came to the petty wars of the medieval era that kept jumbling up the mix of countries it had little to do with bigotry and hatred and a lot to do with the drive for power and wealth on the part of the nobility. Of course, there was lot of bigotry and hatred in the area of the Balkans, but that's only part of Europe, and a lot of it was due to the Islamic conquest of much of the Balkans. You betray a certain shallowness. ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Tchiowa on 16 Aug 2006 01:45 Carole Allen wrote: > On 15 Aug 2006 21:13:20 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Wrong yet again. This part of the thread started when someone (I forget > >who) was trying to claim some type of superiority for Euros because > >more Euros have passports than Americans. Well the reason is not > >because of any cultural reason but because Europe is split up into tiny > >countries while the US is not. And the reason that Europe is split up > >is primarily due to generations of hatred and bigotry. Thus the reason > >that Europeans have passports is because Europeans *need* passports to > >travel and that is because of the history of bigotry and hatred that > >has kept the continent chopped up into small political units. > > > > The US is just split up into 50 states Unified states. >...hmmm..and polarized ones at that... I see. So one state in the US voting Republican and another state voting Democrat is, to you, akin to one country in Europe invading another and starting a war that kills a few million people? And all that is irrelevant to the discussion. You sound like my kid "But Daddy, other people do bad things, too". Europeans possession of passports is a result of hatred and bigotry that has kept the continent at war with itself for centuries. Not something to be proud of. > and Europeans can travel between most countries without going through > any kind of passport control. These days, yes. But that's a recent development. The reason a lot of Euros have passports was because that wasn't the case until recently. Try to keep up.
From: Tchiowa on 16 Aug 2006 01:50
Hatunen wrote: > On 15 Aug 2006 20:29:03 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >Yes, I find European history quite odd myself. I assume that you're not > >trying to claim that the reasons that Europe is chopped up into a few > >dozen small countries is *not* because of the hatred and bigotry that > >has marked your entire history. > > That's a very over-simplified view of European history. It's been > "chopped up" since the fall of the Roman Empire and the onset of > the Dark Ages, when communications and transportation became so > difficult that each small area became isolated. And when it came > to the petty wars of the medieval era that kept jumbling up the > mix of countries it had little to do with bigotry and hatred and > a lot to do with the drive for power and wealth on the part of > the nobility. > > Of course, there was lot of bigotry and hatred in the area of the > Balkans, but that's only part of Europe, and a lot of it was due > to the Islamic conquest of much of the Balkans. Are you suggesting that Germany didn't invade France in the 1940s? Or that millions of Jews weren't slaughtered? Or that WWI didn't happen? Or that European history isn't basically the story of one war after another as various groups tried to conquer or slaughter various other groups? The US was once a group of small political entities that didn't much like each other. But the US unified (for better or for worse). Europe was never able to unify because of the hatred and bigotry and can't unify today for many of the same reasons. > You betray a certain shallowness. Why? Because I don't buy the view that the fact that Europe has been split up for centuries requiring most Euros to have passports in order to travel for more than a few hours somehow gives them some type of cultural superiority? That was the topic. |