From: Dave Frightens Me on 16 Aug 2006 09:33
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:45:36 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:31:20 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
>>On 16 Aug 2006 01:40:52 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>The Reid wrote:
>>>> Following up to Carole Allen
>>>> >and Europeans can travel between most countries without going through
>>>> >any kind of passport control.
>>>> there's no place for common sense in this debate.
>>>Plenty of common sense in the discussion. It's your ability to
>>>comprehend that is at question.
>>You're all alone here. No one seems to wants to support your point of
>>view, because you are not making sense.
>>>> The French speak English in the street,
>>Many? Yes, maybe a whopping 1% speak some English in the street.
>With 25 million tourists a year in Paris more than 1% surely?
In central Paris, probably yes.
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From: Jordi on 16 Aug 2006 10:54
> Jordi wrote:
> > Tchiowa wrote:
> > > No, in this context it's the core of what works and what doesn't work.
> > In your black & white world, perhaps.
> If you are unable to understand the difference between government
> control and regulation then you have a real problem with economics.
You keep telling 4 weeks holiday is 'control' and 'unbearable' yet
countries like Australia, Sweden or the different Scandinavian
countries prove you can have more than that holiday allowance by law
and a competitive economy.
Again, it's not the holiday.
> > >
> > > Nonsense. The difference in culture between New York City, San
> > > Francisco, Miami, New Orleans are every bit as great.
> > No, they're not.
> Spoken like a true Euro who have never been to the US.
Except for New Orleans, I've been in them all.
> Before you come up with the "smart" response, I've been to Europe
> probably 100 times and visited a large number of European countries.
You've said that half a dozen times already, the only possible
conclusion is that you can spend a considerable amount of time in a
foreign country and not realise what's going on.
> > There's history, you see. Are you by any chance pretending the US is
> > exempt from those?
> No. Just pointing out the fact that the reason so many Euros have
> passports is due to hatred and bigotry, not some cultural superiority
> as has been implied.
Cultural superiority as having more different cultures in a reduced
space, yes, that's it.
> > >
> > > But their "western" lifestyle is lower than American's.
> > In what sense? 1.0 litre less of engine?, 4 less inches on a flat TV?
> > Having some real vacation weighs substantially more on overal quality
> > of life.
> As do a lot of other things. Most Americans have "real" vacations and
> most have more to spend on their vacations that Euros do.
Sure you mean 'most Americans over 45'?
> > > They don't. Some do, some don't.
> > A vast majority don't
Want to dig up those stats again?
> > > But are you saying that you can't enjoy time with your family and still work????
> > You can, just less.
> Quantity as opposed to quality?
Quality is just on the individual.
> > So you believe. Many studies show an increased vacation time reduces
> > stress and improves productivity.
There was that article posted by a fellow rte poster citing a couple of
business cases in the US.
> > > Then how can you say that the amount Americans work is "excessive"?
> > It's less than other very productive economies (Australians have 5
> > weeks, Sweden has 25 days, etc.)
> Less or more is not the issue. You said *EXCESSIVE*! Then you admit you
> can't calculate it. So maybe Australians vacation is *excessive*.
They seem to do pretty well, so the answer is no, as the cap on
vacation is economic sense.
> > If you are talking on an international level, you will see many of
> > these allegedly burdened employers competing hand to hand with other
> > 'unburdened' ones.
> With a whole lot less employees which is demonstrated by the high
> unemployment rates in Europe.
Do Australia and Sweden have high unemployment rates?
From: Jordi on 16 Aug 2006 11:04
> The Reid wrote:
> You mean like the Creoles and the Navajo?
> (as long as you're talking about small minorities)
How many books or magazines are published yearly in Creole and Navajo
languages as opposed to Basque and Catalan?
The figures for Catalan and Basque books are 8.000 and 2.000 titles
From: Jordi on 16 Aug 2006 11:15
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:29:37 -0400, "Sarah Banick"
> As for me, I have found New York and New Orleans to have very
> different cultures, perhaps because I grew up in a still
> different culture: the Midwest. And San Francisco??? I've lived
> there; it's different.
They are indeed different, but it's the same kind of difference you can
find between Barcelona, La Coruña and Badajoz, all in an area twice
the size of Oregon.
From: Hatunen on 16 Aug 2006 12:43
On 15 Aug 2006 22:45:11 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com>
>Europeans possession of passports is a result of hatred and bigotry
>that has kept the continent at war with itself for centuries. Not
>something to be proud of.
>> and Europeans can travel between most countries without going through
>> any kind of passport control.
>These days, yes. But that's a recent development. The reason a lot of
>Euros have passports was because that wasn't the case until recently.
>Try to keep up.
As I pointed out elsewhere, there were no passports until after
WW1. The fact that they are no longer needed for much
intra-European travel means that they really only served their
purpose for about 80 years out of two millenia of European
history. You make a pretty weak case with the passport business,
espcially since you don't explain *why* passports are an
indication of bigotry and hatred.
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