Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
in [Europe]
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From: Dave Frightens Me on 23 Jul 2006 05:22 On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:39:33 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Dave Frightens Me writes: > >> It's not a bad summation though. Can you counter it? > >I don't use emotional arguments in my discussions. So you can't counter it without emotion? That would mean he was correct. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- --
From: Dave Frightens Me on 23 Jul 2006 05:24 On 23 Jul 2006 01:34:52 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Dave Frightens Me wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:13:03 GMT, mrtravel <mrtravel(a)bcglobal.net> >> wrote: >> >> >Dave Frightens Me wrote: >> > >> >> On 20 Jul 2006 17:58:37 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >>>Global warming has been going on for thousands of years. Species loss >> >>>is no greater than any other time in history and is offset by species >> >>>gain. Oil reserves will last at least another century by which time we >> >>>can easily have alternate energy sources (if the environmental nuts >> >>>will allow it, that is). >> >> >> >> >> >> Just what on earth makes you believe that? >> > >> >When I was in high school, I think I heard we had about 30 years of oil >> >left. >> >> I think you heard wrong then. > >And you seem to be hearing wrong now. Current proven reserves are >estimated to last 50-100 years. Particularly with $75 oil. Reserves >that were previously written off as to expensive to exploit are now >being reconsidered. I am waiting for a cite from you for that. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- --
From: Jim Ley on 23 Jul 2006 05:30 On 23 Jul 2006 01:29:51 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Jim Ley wrote: >> Indeed, Tchiowa seems to be living in a world of very low skilled jobs >> which essentially any one can do with similar productivity - perhaps >> counting boxes as they pass on a conveyor belt. The rich countries in >> the world have few of these jobs. > >Both wrong. Skilled jobs *WITH EXPERIENCE* then presence is not >directly related to productivity. No idea why you're stressing "with experience", presence isn't related to productivity anywhere other than in jobs that anyone can do that have a strong time based factor - The Big Ben quality control officer who's making sure the peels are at the right time is tied to presence, most other people have no problem. > If you read my >post I spoke rather specifically about *NEW* employees. And in that >case it makes a definite difference. No it doesn't, I've worked with lots of very good people who were more productive in their first months that later - the boredom outweighed the experience - indeed the experience caused the boredom. Productivity, presense and experience is only linked for very simple jobs, the rich world economy is getting less and less simple jobs. Jim.
From: Jim Ley on 23 Jul 2006 05:33 On 23 Jul 2006 01:18:25 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Jim Ley wrote: >> Except of course unemployment is not higher in many countries of the >> EU, in fact it's lower. > >??????????? Which countries are these? US unempoyment is something like >4.6% which many economists label as nearly "full employment". France, >Germany, etc. have unemployment roughly double the US. The UK, the Netherlands... >>The reason why certain countries in the EU >> have high unemployment is becuase they have protectionist governments >> and are restricted in their ability to become competive due to the >> Euro, it's got nothing to do with holiday entitlement. > >It has to do with a lot of reasons. Vacation entitlement is a small >part, but it's a part. The primary problem is the "free lunch" attitude >that Europeans seems to have. Lots of vacation without earning it. Free >medical care. Cradle to grave security. You name it. You need to understand Europe is not one homogenous country, it is full of lots of different countries, with very different systems on all the above, you don't need to earn vacation, people are not idiots who take months before they are any use in a job, productivity and time spent in a job are rarely related - productivity and skills are related, and you may learn more skills "on the job". >These things aren't really free. they come at a cost. One of the costs >is high unemployment. Except of course there are lots of countries without high unemployment and also much higher employment counts than the US. Jim.
From: Dave Frightens Me on 23 Jul 2006 06:11
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:05:08 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:36:41 +0100, this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.com >(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and >deansgate) wrote: > >>Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> JohnT writes: >>> >>> > So, yet again you don't know what you are talking about. >>> >>> That does not follow. >> >>What? I would say that it's a pretty safe bet that it applies to almost >>anything you talk about here. > >I've gone back to believing that he is just a troll. He's mentally ill, for sure, but I don't know if I'd consider it trolling. He's not anonymous enough. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |