Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
in [Europe]
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From: Tchiowa on 23 Jul 2006 21:27 Jim Ley wrote: > On 23 Jul 2006 01:18:25 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Jim Ley wrote: > >> Except of course unemployment is not higher in many countries of the > >> EU, in fact it's lower. > > > >??????????? Which countries are these? US unempoyment is something like > >4.6% which many economists label as nearly "full employment". France, > >Germany, etc. have unemployment roughly double the US. > > The UK, the Netherlands... Really? Then the BBC and CBS NL are lying? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5171932.stm "The unemployment rate was 5.4%, the ONS said, up from 5.1% in the previous quarter." Nearly a full percent higher than the US. And growing. http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/arbeid-inkomen-sociale-zekerheid/arbeidsmarkt/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2004/2004-1596-wm.htm "Unemployment in the Netherlands has grown considerably in the last few years. At the beginning of 2004 6.5 percent of the Dutch labour force were unemployed, twice as many as three years previously. In the last few months the rate was just over 6 percent. In spite of the substantial increase the Netherlands still has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the Eurozone." http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0107824.html Unemployment in the Netherlands still 6.5%. > >>The reason why certain countries in the EU > >> have high unemployment is becuase they have protectionist governments > >> and are restricted in their ability to become competive due to the > >> Euro, it's got nothing to do with holiday entitlement. > > > >It has to do with a lot of reasons. Vacation entitlement is a small > >part, but it's a part. The primary problem is the "free lunch" attitude > >that Europeans seems to have. Lots of vacation without earning it. Free > >medical care. Cradle to grave security. You name it. > > You need to understand Europe is not one homogenous country, it is > full of lots of different countries, with very different systems on > all the above, you don't need to earn vacation, people are not idiots > who take months before they are any use in a job, productivity and > time spent in a job are rarely related - productivity and skills are > related, and you may learn more skills "on the job". The EU has forced changes on all countries in Europe that include the "something for nothing" attitude. And you don't have to be an "idiot" just because you're not immediately productive. Many employers figure it takes 2-3 years for the typical employee to come up to anything like full productivity. > >These things aren't really free. they come at a cost. One of the costs > >is high unemployment. > > Except of course there are lots of countries without high unemployment > and also much higher employment counts than the US. Really? Name them. You tried with 2 and you were wrong. Any more suggestions? Here's a hint: http://www.ibeurope.com/Factfile/78unemp.htm Ireland. That's it. Overall the average is about 50% higher than the US.
From: mrtravel on 23 Jul 2006 21:49 Tchiowa wrote: > > http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/arbeid-inkomen-sociale-zekerheid/arbeidsmarkt/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2004/2004-1596-wm.htm > > "Unemployment in the Netherlands has grown considerably in the last few > years. At the beginning of 2004 6.5 percent of the Dutch labour force > were unemployed, twice as many as three years previously. In the last > few months the rate was just over 6 percent. In spite of the > substantial increase the Netherlands still has one of the lowest > unemployment rates in the Eurozone." > > http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0107824.html > > Unemployment in the Netherlands still 6.5%. > Really? Can you cite a source that actually gives the date of that number? How do you know date the factmonster number is based on?
From: Jeff Hacker on 23 Jul 2006 21:49 "Iceman" <oneofcold(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1153574028.285709.319510(a)p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Dave Frightens Me wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:49:50 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Dave Frightens Me writes: >> > >> >> Your logic is broken. No-one said anything about heating. >> > >> >You say that education can compensate for excessive heat. Logically, >> >then, education can also compensate for excessive cold. Thus, there's >> >no more need for heating systems than there is for air conditioning >> >systems. >> >> As cold does not mean hot, your logic is broken. >> >> Believe it or not, they are two very different things. > > Heating is a necessity. Air conditioning is a luxury. > You obviously don't live in Texas - it has been over 100F/40C for the past two weeks straight. Air Conditioning in NOT a luxury here.
From: Jim Ley on 23 Jul 2006 22:06 On 23 Jul 2006 18:27:05 -0700, "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> Except of course there are lots of countries without high unemployment >> and also much higher employment counts than the US. > >Really? Name them. > >You tried with 2 and you were wrong. Any more suggestions? Interesting you choose to quote March 2005 statistics for the EU, but June 2006 figures for the USA, - completely ignoring the figure for the US on your out of date list you quoted, showing it higher than 5 EU countries, all of which also have higher employment rates, the UK was included... maybe if you learnt to read simple charts, or use up to date statistics, you'd get up to productivity speed quicker 2 or 3 years. I also note you decided to completely ignore the employment part of the discussion, the number of unemployed is influenced by the number of people who consider themselves part of the workforce, something which is much higher in many EU countries. Jim.
From: nobody on 23 Jul 2006 22:19
Jeff Hacker wrote: > You obviously don't live in Texas - it has been over 100F/40C for the past > two weeks straight. Air Conditioning in NOT a luxury here. You *can* die from heat. You WILL die from cold. In heat, you can survive without air conditioning. Drink lots, have a fan, dress properly. No problem. If you turn off your air conditioning and follow the above, you will have gotten used to it within days. The human body is built to have its own cooling (it is called sweat). And you can survive even when outside temperature exceeds body temperature. In cold, if you do not have proper clothing, you will die and/or lose limbs to frostbite. And you still need to drink and eat properly. And remember that at night, you need extra warm sleeping bag because your metabolism slows down and you generate less heat. It is easier to learn to survive in heat than in cold. At 40C, you are only 20 degrees from optimal temperature. But at -20, you are 40 degrees from optimal comfort temperature. |