From: Mxsmanic on 25 Jul 2006 11:46
> In substantial parts of the world, "swamp coolers" are not only useful but
> provide substantial "cooling". Cities such as El Paso and Albuquerque have
> many "high dollar" homes with rooftop "swamp coolers" ...
Climates that are hot and extraordinarily dry can benefit from swamp
coolers. Unfortunately, most hot climates are also humidy climates,
and swamp coolers are useless there.
> ... and until Phoenix set
> out to humidify the community, lakes, sprinklers and massive introduction of
> surface water, they worked well there....No more.
Yes, although Phoenix still had higher humidity during the so-called
> Not very good in Florida
> or Houston, however, and even in drier climes, you may need to move the
> clothes about in your closet frequently to prevent mildew
Mildew means that the climate is too humid for this type of cooling.
In a very dry climate (ideal for evaporative cooling), mildew won't be
a problem, since the humidity even downstream of the swamp cooler
still won't be very high. If you cannot get the temperature down
without greatly raising the humidity, you need air conditioning.
> Paris was positively cool with low humidity.
Check the time of day when you do this. Right now it's 33 C with 31%
humidity, and it is not cool, positively or otherwise.
> Certainly, many of the more
> "modern" buildings of the city ( the unairconditioned sort built since the
> reign of the Sun King) ...
The newest hospital in Paris, completed only a short time ago, has no
air conditioning, and windows that don't open. In 2003, it got up to
45 and above inside the hospital. Patients were wheeled periodically
into the operating rooms, the only rooms in the building with any kind
of refrigeration. Some died.
> ... and the city's
> buildings, jammed together to block Winter winds, serve well to block Summer
Unfortunately, a typical summer in Paris (even before global warming
became a problem) has almost no breeze at all. The windiest days are
> Part of the Mixed Manic's problem is his pose as an anchorite
> revelling in a cave-like hermitage of isolation, his musty gareet up under
> the eaves, so frightened of human contact that he has too little common
> sense to go to the nearest park and sit under a tree, wetting his bandanna
> and wrapping it about his forehead and removing his heavy denim overall in
> exchange for a light cotton shirt, so that he can pour a bit of cool water
> over head and shirt and cool his fevered brow and brain.
You seem to think that I lead a life of leisure. I do not. I have to
work, and that work imposes severe constraints on my behavior, dress,
and use of time.
> On the other hand, I can recall being in an unheated aprtment in Aix en
> Provence one Winter many decades ago (while stuck ashore in Mareseilles,
> since "boating had been cancelled" due to rough water for the naval vessels
> anchored in the harbor). I don't know if Paris is cold, but Aix was so cold
> that I had to burrow into the warm envelopment of a plump girl from Chicago,
> an exchange student with whom I exchanged....
What type of job did you have at the time?
> That's a suggestion, Mixed Maniac.....Buy an icemaker for your refrigerator,
> and store a few wet towels in the freezing compartment alongside.
There are limits to what wet towels and icemakers can do.
There are reasons why mechanical refrigeration was invented, and much
of modern society cannot do without it. Pretending that it's an
unnecessary luxury is ignoring reality. I don't know why people
persist in these delusions. They don't seem to have them when
discussing heating systems; few people dispute the necessity of
heating in cold climates (even though heating in a cold climate is
actually much less necessary than cooling in a hot climate).
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From: Padraig Breathnach on 25 Jul 2006 12:28
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> That depends on what else you might want to do. You could watch the
>> world outside, read a book, work or play at a computer, eat, sip a
>> drink, converse if you are in company, many other possibilities.
>What happens if you have to work for a living?
I did mention work. Obviously, it depends on the particular type of
You could prepare classes.
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From: Miguel Cruz on 25 Jul 2006 12:35
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> There are reasons why mechanical refrigeration was invented, and much
> of modern society cannot do without it. Pretending that it's an
> unnecessary luxury is ignoring reality. I don't know why people
> persist in these delusions. They don't seem to have them when
> discussing heating systems; few people dispute the necessity of
> heating in cold climates (even though heating in a cold climate is
> actually much less necessary than cooling in a hot climate).
The reason for this is pretty simple: People know that heating is more
necessary than cooling for comfortable and productive living, within the
range of temperatures that are normally experienced in inhabited areas.
Or maybe everyone else in the universe is wrong and all their past
experiences are wrong and you are right.
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From: Keith W on 25 Jul 2006 12:43
"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> TOliver writes:
>> Paris was positively cool with low humidity.
> Check the time of day when you do this. Right now it's 33 C with 31%
> humidity, and it is not cool, positively or otherwise.
That depends on where you are comparing it with.
Morgan City is expecting 30+C with 75% humidty
the Dubai has 35C with 47%, Bataam is 32C
with 75% humidity
I have worked in fabrication yards in all 3 cities and
havent much sympathy with your whining.
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From: David A Rose on 25 Jul 2006 13:05
> Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:28:13 -0700, "Stephen Dailey"
> > <smdailey(a)seanet.com> wrote:
> > >At many firms, employees who "just go through the motions" are invited to
> > >seek employment elsewhere. It's bad for morale, and office-wide
> > >productivity, to have employees who are just there to collect a paycheck
> > >and really don't give a damn about doing a good job.
> > Utter rubbish. Once you learn the ins and outs of any job, you can
> > just coast along with it, delivering what's expected and no more. All
> > big companys are the same like that. It's all just a question of
> > figuring out the system.
> Even worse rubbish. I'll grant you that there are people who believe
> like you do. But we have some terms for them. Losers. Failures. These
> are the people who never go anywhere, never advance, make lousy money
> and demand things like free health care because they'll never be able
> to afford it themselves.
> These are the people who simply don't deserve vacation.
> > >I've worked for both types of firms: (a) where you really, really have to
> > >screw up in order to get fired, and (b) where you are expected to be
> > >productive and to innovate. I prefer the latter.
> > Except the latter don't actually exist - for long.
> You've got to be kidding!!! These are the companies that succeed.
> > Once a few managers get in place, all the important decisions just get
> > left to politics.
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