From: Tchiowa on 16 Jul 2006 21:32 Mxsmanic wrote: > Go Fig writes: > > > So when you think of modern medical advancements, you think of France ? > > When I think of stable, affordable, accessible, good-quality medical > care for all, I think of France. It is possible for the very rich to > get slightly better care in the United States, but the average person > is in about the same position, and many Americans can't get any decent > care at all. That last statement is simply not true. I've challenged it before. Can you cite a valid reference (as opposed to a politician saying that it's so)? > Some other nationalized medicine systems are in much worse shape. The > NHS in the UK, for example, is a shining example of how not to run > such a system. All of them are examples of how not to run a system.
From: Tchiowa on 16 Jul 2006 21:52 Dave Frightens Me wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:24:59 -0700, Go Fig <gofig(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >In article <p27kb2t3tpb9gm0tb7ukh2spmp1ce16vg5(a)4ax.com>, Mxsmanic > ><mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Tchiowa writes: > >> > >> > No it can't. Why? Because the very core of Socialism is to ignore the > >> > basics of human nature. It is also based on providing today's needs > >> > while ignoring tomorrow's. > >> > >> None of this seems relevant to the concept of socialized medicine. > > > >So when you think of modern medical advancements, you think of France ? > > When you think of quality of life, do you think of the USA? I've been in 40 or 50 countries on 5 continents. I've lived and worked in dozens of countries on 5 continents. When I think of quality of life, the US is head and shoulders above most of the others. The only one that comes even close is Australia. Europe doesn't have a country that's even in the running. There are several Asian countries I would put above most of Europe. Here's a list of the top of my head. I'm sure I missed a few: Angola, Australia, Belgium, Benin, Cambodia, Canada, China, Congo - DR, Congo - R, Denmark, England, Fiji, Finland, Germany, Germany - East (before unification), Hong Kong (before unification), Hungary, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Korea - South, Latvia, Macau (before unification), Malaysia, Monaco, Morocco, Nepal, Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Papua Niugini, Philippines, Portugal, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, US, Vietnam. > BTW, thanks for sacrificing yourselves for the rest of us ungrateful > bastards. No problem.
From: Jordi on 17 Jul 2006 02:59 Tchiowa wrote: > > > > When you think of quality of life, do you think of the USA? > > I've been in 40 or 50 countries on 5 continents. I've lived and worked > in dozens of countries on 5 continents. When I think of quality of > life, the US is head and shoulders above most of the others. The only > one that comes even close is Australia. Europe doesn't have a country > that's even in the running. There are several Asian countries I would > put above most of Europe. > And that just proves that you can work and live in a country and don't know anything about what's going on. I spend a month in the US every year and, while I usually enjoy the time there and generally like the place, would not dream of relocating there. Speaking about Stalinism and the failure of the former Eastern European regimes in a discussion about health systems very much says it all. J.
From: Jordi on 17 Jul 2006 03:11 Tchiowa wrote: > Jordi wrote: > > Tchiowa wrote: > > > > See Dave's reply. > > See my reply. Socialism fails in Medical care just as surely as it > fails in food. Still nonsense. You can't put Medical care, socialism and food in a single sentence without looking quite silly. > > No. The whole idea behind think tanks is to provide people of a certain > > ideology with a constant flow of information to prove their political > > choice is the only right one. > > And what ideology are you referring to? Wanting to accept > responsibility for myself? Understanding that Socialism is a sick joke > that always fails? Whatever name you want to put. You are a shining example of that people of a certain ideology. > > I'd rather have a wait-system rather than a going-bankrupt one. > > Then why are you supporting Socialized medicine? It is going bankrupt. > And then you won't have to worry about going bankrupt yourself for > medical treatment because it wont' be available. I look at the figures and it's better and cheaper, for me and the community. > >And then there is the choice of having a private insurance plan. > > A good choice for all. Get the government out of the way. > Not for me, I'd rather have the queuing whiners take one and stop saying bullshit. > > > > NHS finally paid, so it was effectively free for them, so? > > The point is that the availability of medical care has deteriorated so > bady under Socialized medicine that people have to go to countries that > still have private care. Socialism is failing. Yet again. It's working fine around here, thanks for your concern. J.
From: Mxsmanic on 17 Jul 2006 04:27
Tchiowa writes: > I've been in 40 or 50 countries on 5 continents. I've lived and worked > in dozens of countries on 5 continents. When I think of quality of > life, the US is head and shoulders above most of the others. The only > one that comes even close is Australia. Europe doesn't have a country > that's even in the running. There are several Asian countries I would > put above most of Europe. That's a bit of an exaggeration, although Europe is famous for its mediocrity and thus doesn't have nearly as high a standard as it could have. I can't comment on the other continents. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |