From: Tom P on
Martin wrote:
> On 20/06/10 12:27, Tom P wrote:
>> Martin wrote:
>>> On 20/06/10 00:26, Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>>>>>>> I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Europe that includes
>>>>>>> flying to Rome, renting a car, then driving around the Adriatic to
>>>>>>> Athens.
>>>>> I gather he's planning a round trip, in which he'd better check if
>>>>> the rental company allows him to drive through places like Albania
>>>>> and Montenegro.
>>>> The Bradt guide to Montenegro says the local folklore has a spoof
>>>> tourist board slogan "Come to Montenegro - your car's here already".
>>> Unless your car is a Mercedes in which case it is already in Albania.
>> Reminds how back in the '90s in Moscow I saw cars being sold in a street
>> market, they hadn't even bothered to remove the German license plates...
>
> Around the same time I sat next to a young Nigerian on a flight from
> Rome to Schiphol. He asked me where he could find a good place to steal
> a car that he planned to ship to Africa. Thinking he was joking I
> suggested that there was a good choice in the airport car parks. Later I
> found out that a car transporter leaves Rotterdam once a month carrying
> stolen cars to Africa.

The only time I had a car stolen was from a carpark at Heathrow.
To add to the misery, I had just paid a small fortune for a week's
parking before I found the car was gone.
From: Tom P on
tim.... wrote:
> "Tom P" <werotizy(a)freent.dd> wrote in message
> news:884solFc0pU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> bart.c wrote:
>>> "Ben Dover" <joe_mama(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tW3Tn.101477$304.53102(a)newsfe12.iad...
>>>> I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Europe that includes
>>>> flying to Rome, renting a car, then driving around the Adriatic to
>>>> Athens. From Athens I will be sailing to Amorgos, spend a week or two,
>>>> then back to Romen via the ferry. Does anyone have any experience
>>>> driving this route? Any advice appreciated!
>>> Well, Rome is the opposite side of Italy from the Adriatic. There are
>>> some airports on the Adriatic coast that might save you some driving.
>>>
>>> And you might want to check that with the rental company (especially if
>>> planning a one-way rental, which is not clear.)
>>>
>> I gather he's planning a round trip, in which he'd better check if the
>> rental company allows him to drive through places like Albania and
>> Montenegro.
>
> There is no chance of him getting a car that he can take into Albania - I'd
> love for someone to prove me wrong :-(.
>
> IME it is next to impossible to find anyone even willing to let you take a
> rental car into Serbia.
>
> Note that the Serbian border police will check that you do have valid
> documents for your car so "winging it" is not advisable.
>
> If he can get insurance, he should note that he must not drive "through"
> Kosovo if he wishes to drive back via Serbia later, as the Serbians will not
> recognise the Kosovo exit stamp as a valid Serbian point of exit (I know he
> said that he didn't want to do this, but his plans could change).
>
I noticed that the lonelyplanet thorntree site has some postings about
driving into Albania and other countries. Quite possibly these people
were using privately owned vehicles and not rental cars.

T.

> I'm wondering what the OP actually wanted from his question.
>
> Does he want advice on driving, route options, sightseeing or places to
> stay?
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: tim.... on

"Tom P" <werotizy(a)freent.dd> wrote in message
news:88747aFfc4U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> tim.... wrote:
>> "Tom P" <werotizy(a)freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:884solFc0pU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>> bart.c wrote:
>>>> "Ben Dover" <joe_mama(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:tW3Tn.101477$304.53102(a)newsfe12.iad...
>>>>> I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Europe that includes
>>>>> flying to Rome, renting a car, then driving around the Adriatic to
>>>>> Athens. From Athens I will be sailing to Amorgos, spend a week or
>>>>> two,
>>>>> then back to Romen via the ferry. Does anyone have any experience
>>>>> driving this route? Any advice appreciated!
>>>> Well, Rome is the opposite side of Italy from the Adriatic. There are
>>>> some airports on the Adriatic coast that might save you some driving.
>>>>
>>>> And you might want to check that with the rental company (especially if
>>>> planning a one-way rental, which is not clear.)
>>>>
>>> I gather he's planning a round trip, in which he'd better check if the
>>> rental company allows him to drive through places like Albania and
>>> Montenegro.
>>
>> There is no chance of him getting a car that he can take into Albania -
>> I'd love for someone to prove me wrong :-(.
>>
>> IME it is next to impossible to find anyone even willing to let you take
>> a rental car into Serbia.
>>
>> Note that the Serbian border police will check that you do have valid
>> documents for your car so "winging it" is not advisable.
>>
>> If he can get insurance, he should note that he must not drive "through"
>> Kosovo if he wishes to drive back via Serbia later, as the Serbians will
>> not recognise the Kosovo exit stamp as a valid Serbian point of exit (I
>> know he said that he didn't want to do this, but his plans could change).
>>
> I noticed that the lonelyplanet thorntree site has some postings about
> driving into Albania and other countries. Quite possibly these people
> were using privately owned vehicles and not rental cars.

Almost certainly.

Getting insurance for own car must be available as Serbia is on the main
route for through traffic to Greece and Turkey, but rental companies just
don't want to deal with such fringe needs.

I spent last year trying to find ways of visiting the Balkans and the only
way to get rental insurance for Serbia was to start there, and that "blacked
out" Albania, Kosovo, Bulgaria and Italy.

tim


From: Tom P on
tim.... wrote:
> "Tom P" <werotizy(a)freent.dd> wrote in message
> news:884solFc0pU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> bart.c wrote:
>>> "Ben Dover" <joe_mama(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tW3Tn.101477$304.53102(a)newsfe12.iad...
>>>> I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Europe that includes
>>>> flying to Rome, renting a car, then driving around the Adriatic to
>>>> Athens. From Athens I will be sailing to Amorgos, spend a week or two,
>>>> then back to Romen via the ferry. Does anyone have any experience
>>>> driving this route? Any advice appreciated!
>>> Well, Rome is the opposite side of Italy from the Adriatic. There are
>>> some airports on the Adriatic coast that might save you some driving.
>>>
>>> And you might want to check that with the rental company (especially if
>>> planning a one-way rental, which is not clear.)
>>>
>> I gather he's planning a round trip, in which he'd better check if the
>> rental company allows him to drive through places like Albania and
>> Montenegro.
>
> There is no chance of him getting a car that he can take into Albania - I'd
> love for someone to prove me wrong :-(.
>
> IME it is next to impossible to find anyone even willing to let you take a
> rental car into Serbia.
>
> Note that the Serbian border police will check that you do have valid
> documents for your car so "winging it" is not advisable.
>
> If he can get insurance, he should note that he must not drive "through"
> Kosovo if he wishes to drive back via Serbia later, as the Serbians will not
> recognise the Kosovo exit stamp as a valid Serbian point of exit (I know he
> said that he didn't want to do this, but his plans could change).
>

BTW any idea what the situation is if the car gets stolen or written off
in an accident? Does he become liable for import duty?

> I'm wondering what the OP actually wanted from his question.
>
> Does he want advice on driving, route options, sightseeing or places to
> stay?
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: Ben Dover on
On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:04:27 +0100, tim.... wrote:

> "Tom P" <werotizy(a)freent.dd> wrote in message
> news:884solFc0pU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> bart.c wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ben Dover" <joe_mama(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tW3Tn.101477$304.53102(a)newsfe12.iad...
>>>>
>>>> I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Europe that includes
>>>> flying to Rome, renting a car, then driving around the Adriatic to
>>>> Athens. From Athens I will be sailing to Amorgos, spend a week or
>>>> two, then back to Romen via the ferry. Does anyone have any
>>>> experience driving this route? Any advice appreciated!
>>>
>>> Well, Rome is the opposite side of Italy from the Adriatic. There are
>>> some airports on the Adriatic coast that might save you some driving.
>>>
>>> And you might want to check that with the rental company (especially
>>> if planning a one-way rental, which is not clear.)
>>>
>> I gather he's planning a round trip, in which he'd better check if the
>> rental company allows him to drive through places like Albania and
>> Montenegro.
>
> There is no chance of him getting a car that he can take into Albania -
> I'd love for someone to prove me wrong :-(.
>
> IME it is next to impossible to find anyone even willing to let you take
> a rental car into Serbia.
>
> Note that the Serbian border police will check that you do have valid
> documents for your car so "winging it" is not advisable.
>
> If he can get insurance, he should note that he must not drive "through"
> Kosovo if he wishes to drive back via Serbia later, as the Serbians will
> not recognise the Kosovo exit stamp as a valid Serbian point of exit (I
> know he said that he didn't want to do this, but his plans could
> change).
>
> I'm wondering what the OP actually wanted from his question.
>
> Does he want advice on driving, route options, sightseeing or places to
> stay?
>
> tim


Thanks, for your response. As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage
of planning this trip. My original intent was to rent a car and drive,
from Rome to the Adriatic shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the
information I'm requesting has more to do with driving regulations,
country to country, than hotel recommendations, etc. From the feedback
I'm receiving, it sounds like driving may not be worth the hassle. But
any advice regarding hotels, places of interest, is appreciated!

B-



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