From: Mike Lane on
tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010:

>
> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com...
>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010:
>>
>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip. My
>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic
>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting has
>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel
>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like
>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels,
>>> places of interest, is appreciated!
>>
>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before thinking
>> about hotels and places of interest etc.
>>
>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into another
>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the various
>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you did
>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot
>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website:
>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm
>>
>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've
>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries of
>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous.
>
> I think you are being too careful.
>
> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though this
> gives you no tourist stops.
>
> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either.
>
> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible
> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other than
> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter in
> places as civilised as Belgium)

Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just that
travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I can't help
thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I might
step on a land-mine.


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Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
email: mike_lane at mac dot com

From: tim.... on

"Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C844641600256E37B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com...
> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010:
>
>>
>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010:
>>>
>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip.
>>>> My
>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic
>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting has
>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel
>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like
>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels,
>>>> places of interest, is appreciated!
>>>
>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before
>>> thinking
>>> about hotels and places of interest etc.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into another
>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the
>>> various
>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you did
>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot
>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website:
>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm
>>>
>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've
>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries of
>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous.
>>
>> I think you are being too careful.
>>
>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though this
>> gives you no tourist stops.
>>
>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either.
>>
>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible
>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other
>> than
>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter in
>> places as civilised as Belgium)
>
> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just that
> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I can't
> help
> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I
> might
> step on a land-mine.

In Bosnia you might! But this doesn't affect car insurance.

tim


From: Martin on
On 21/06/10 01:34, Mike Lane wrote:
> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010:
>
>>
>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010:
>>>
>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip. My
>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic
>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting has
>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel
>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like
>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels,
>>>> places of interest, is appreciated!
>>>
>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before thinking
>>> about hotels and places of interest etc.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into another
>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the various
>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you did
>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot
>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website:
>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm
>>>
>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've
>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries of
>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous.
>>
>> I think you are being too careful.
>>
>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though this
>> gives you no tourist stops.
>>
>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either.
>>
>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible
>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other than
>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter in
>> places as civilised as Belgium)
>
> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just that
> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I can't help
> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I might
> step on a land-mine.

The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended to
get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned
that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully
returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met
several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never
again. Maybe things have improved since then. We found the ferry from
Venice to Patras very relaxing after driving from Northern Europe. It
also has the advantage that you can leave your car securely parked in
the car park of the ferry terminal free and spend the day visiting
Venice prior to the departure at the end of the afternoon. The view of
Venice from high up on the ferry is spectacular.

From: Giovanni Drogo on
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010, Ben Dover wrote:

> I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Europe that includes
> flying to Rome, renting a car, then driving around the Adriatic to
> Athens.

I am not qualified to answer, as my concept of travelling is using
public transport, typically trains. But I can comment on geography.

Which side of the Adriatic you intend to drive ? Do you want to do all
by land, or cross the Adriatic with a ferry ?

If you do want to do all by land, it would be better if you fly directly
to a place like Venice or even better Trieste. Then enter Slovenia and
go down along all other formers yugoslavian states and Albania. I have
no idea how "adventurous" it is nowadays.

If you are interested in seeing some parts of Italy, from Rome you
should cross the Appennines to reach the Adriatic coast, and drive more
or less south to board a ferry. I am sure there are ferries to Greece
leaving from Ancona [coming from Milan by train I used this one] and
from Brindisi, I have no idea if other ports (e.g. Termoli, Bari) have a
service to Greece.

From Rome you could take the via Flaminia or Salaria (routes of ancient
roman consular roads, now "superstrade" i.e. dual carriageways) and
reach the Marche. This is the northernmost road. Pleasant countryside.
Along the Flaminia you could see the Furlo ("forulus", "little hole")
tunnel built by the Romans. These roads will lead you either north or
south of Ancona.

As an alternative from Rome you can take the motorway through the Gran
Sasso tunnel (Gran Sasso is the top mountain in the Appennines). I guess
it is not yet easy to see sights around L'Aquila because of the
earthquake of last year. This road goes through the region of Abruzzi,
I've never been there but the landscape shall be interesting.

Another alternative is to drive further south, from Rome towards Bari
(region Puglia), and then along the coast to Brindisi.

Of course you can drive the entire Adriatic coast using motorways if you
are just interested in getting the ferry as fast as you can. The
landscape should not be very scenic. It would be better, if you are
interested, in stopping here and there, visiting smaller towns (more on
the hills than on the coast) and some city (e.g. Urbino, Fano, Ancona,
Ascoli, Bari, Lecce) or other sights (e.g. Castel del Monte)

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From: Martin on
On 21/06/10 10:28, tim.... wrote:
> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C844641600256E37B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com...
>> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com...
>>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010:
>>>>
>>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip.
>>>>> My
>>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic
>>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting has
>>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel
>>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like
>>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels,
>>>>> places of interest, is appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before
>>>> thinking
>>>> about hotels and places of interest etc.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into another
>>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the
>>>> various
>>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you did
>>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot
>>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website:
>>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm
>>>>
>>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've
>>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries of
>>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous.
>>>
>>> I think you are being too careful.
>>>
>>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though this
>>> gives you no tourist stops.
>>>
>>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either.
>>>
>>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible
>>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other
>>> than
>>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter in
>>> places as civilised as Belgium)
>>
>> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just that
>> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I can't
>> help
>> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I
>> might
>> step on a land-mine.
>
> In Bosnia you might! But this doesn't affect car insurance.

Just his health?

The last time I took an Avis hire car from Rome Airport in the 1990s to
visit Sorrento there was an insurance surcharge for going south of
Naples "because cars weren't returned"
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