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From: tim.... on 21 Jun 2010 05:09 "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:hvn8ff$8da$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 21/06/10 01:34, Mike Lane wrote: >> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >> >>> >>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com... >>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>> >>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip. >>>>> My >>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic >>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting >>>>> has >>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel >>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like >>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels, >>>>> places of interest, is appreciated! >>>> >>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before >>>> thinking >>>> about hotels and places of interest etc. >>>> >>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into >>>> another >>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the >>>> various >>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you >>>> did >>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot >>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website: >>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm >>>> >>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've >>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries of >>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous. >>> >>> I think you are being too careful. >>> >>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though this >>> gives you no tourist stops. >>> >>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either. >>> >>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible >>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other >>> than >>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter in >>> places as civilised as Belgium) >> >> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just that >> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I can't >> help >> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I >> might >> step on a land-mine. > > The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended to > get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned > that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully > returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met > several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never > again. Maybe things have improved since then. Of course things have changed since 81, it's silly to suggest otherwise. tim
From: Martin on 21 Jun 2010 05:51 On 21/06/10 11:09, tim.... wrote: > "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:hvn8ff$8da$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> On 21/06/10 01:34, Mike Lane wrote: >>> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>> >>>> >>>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com... >>>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>>> >>>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip. >>>>>> My >>>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic >>>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting >>>>>> has >>>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel >>>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like >>>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels, >>>>>> places of interest, is appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before >>>>> thinking >>>>> about hotels and places of interest etc. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into >>>>> another >>>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the >>>>> various >>>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you >>>>> did >>>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot >>>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website: >>>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm >>>>> >>>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've >>>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries of >>>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous. >>>> >>>> I think you are being too careful. >>>> >>>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though this >>>> gives you no tourist stops. >>>> >>>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either. >>>> >>>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible >>>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other >>>> than >>>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter in >>>> places as civilised as Belgium) >>> >>> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just that >>> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I can't >>> help >>> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I >>> might >>> step on a land-mine. >> >> The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended to >> get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned >> that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully >> returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met >> several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never >> again. Maybe things have improved since then. > > Of course things have changed since 81, it's silly to suggest otherwise. For the better or worse? :o) In most countries driving has got much worse since 1981
From: Martin on 21 Jun 2010 06:52 On 21/06/10 12:24, Jack Campin - bogus address wrote: >>> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just that >>> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I can't >>> help thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country >>> I might step on a land-mine. >> In Bosnia you might! But this doesn't affect car insurance. > > You'd have to be *well* out in the country to have that problem. > > Major-to-middling roads in Bosnia are better maintained than in > Scotland, That isn't saying a lot :o) The roads in rural Greece were better maintained in the 1980s than in urban Sheffield now.
From: Tom P on 21 Jun 2010 09:38 Mike Lane wrote: > Martin wrote on Jun 20, 2010: > >> On 20/06/10 23:28, Mike Lane wrote: >>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>> >>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip. My >>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic >>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting has >>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel >>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like >>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels, >>>> places of interest, is appreciated! >>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before thinking >>> about hotels and places of interest etc. >>> >>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into another >>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the various >>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you did >>> this >>> you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot and >>> Renault >>> I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website: >>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm >>> >>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've always >>> taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. >> Us too. We took either the Ancona Patras ferry or the Venice Patras >> Ferry. I took my car from Pireus to Naxos by ferry twice too. >> > > Yes, it's a nice trip isn't it? We've tried Brindisi, Ancona and Venice. > Brindisi is a nice small town and the ticket prices to Greece are lower, but > I hate the drive down through Italy on their crappy motorways. We now go from > Venice, which is very nice - a kind of mini-cruise. > Yes, several years back we did Ancona-Igoumenitsa and a year later Ancona-Patras. At the time the Italians had the brilliant idea of digging up the entire Autostrada all the way from Milan to Ancona, IIRC - a nightmare drive.
From: tim.... on 21 Jun 2010 17:31
"Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:hvncp9$6fa$6(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 21/06/10 11:09, tim.... wrote: >> "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> news:hvn8ff$8da$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> On 21/06/10 01:34, Mike Lane wrote: >>>> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com... >>>>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this >>>>>>> trip. >>>>>>> My >>>>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the >>>>>>> Adriatic >>>>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel >>>>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding >>>>>>> hotels, >>>>>>> places of interest, is appreciated! >>>>>> >>>>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before >>>>>> thinking >>>>>> about hotels and places of interest etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into >>>>>> another >>>>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the >>>>>> various >>>>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you >>>>>> did >>>>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. >>>>>> Peugeot >>>>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this >>>>>> website: >>>>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've >>>>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries >>>>>> of >>>>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous. >>>>> >>>>> I think you are being too careful. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though >>>>> this >>>>> gives you no tourist stops. >>>>> >>>>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either. >>>>> >>>>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible >>>>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other >>>>> than >>>>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter >>>>> in >>>>> places as civilised as Belgium) >>>> >>>> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just >>>> that >>>> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I >>>> can't >>>> help >>>> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I >>>> might >>>> step on a land-mine. >>> >>> The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended to >>> get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned >>> that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully >>> returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met >>> several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never >>> again. Maybe things have improved since then. >> >> Of course things have changed since 81, it's silly to suggest otherwise. > > For the better or worse? :o) > > In most countries driving has got much worse since 1981 The amount of traffic is worse but the roads are better. I assumed you were talking about administrative aggro and the quality of the roads. tim |