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From: Martin on 21 Jun 2010 18:00 On 21/06/10 23:31, tim.... wrote: > "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:hvncp9$6fa$6(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> On 21/06/10 11:09, tim.... wrote: >>> "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:hvn8ff$8da$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> On 21/06/10 01:34, Mike Lane wrote: >>>>> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com... >>>>>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this >>>>>>>> trip. >>>>>>>> My >>>>>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the >>>>>>>> Adriatic >>>>>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel >>>>>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding >>>>>>>> hotels, >>>>>>>> places of interest, is appreciated! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before >>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>> about hotels and places of interest etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the >>>>>>> various >>>>>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you >>>>>>> did >>>>>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. >>>>>>> Peugeot >>>>>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this >>>>>>> website: >>>>>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've >>>>>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through countries >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you are being too careful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though >>>>>> this >>>>>> gives you no tourist stops. >>>>>> >>>>>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either. >>>>>> >>>>>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are sensible >>>>>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems other >>>>>> than >>>>>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will encounter >>>>>> in >>>>>> places as civilised as Belgium) >>>>> >>>>> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just >>>>> that >>>>> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I >>>>> can't >>>>> help >>>>> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I >>>>> might >>>>> step on a land-mine. >>>> >>>> The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended to >>>> get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned >>>> that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully >>>> returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met >>>> several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never >>>> again. Maybe things have improved since then. >>> >>> Of course things have changed since 81, it's silly to suggest otherwise. >> >> For the better or worse? :o) >> >> In most countries driving has got much worse since 1981 > > The amount of traffic is worse but the roads are better. > > I assumed you were talking about administrative aggro and the quality of the > roads. In 1981 people complained about the local drivers, not the quality of the roads.
From: tim.... on 22 Jun 2010 04:58 "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:hvonfl$3pm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 21/06/10 23:31, tim.... wrote: >> "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> news:hvncp9$6fa$6(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> On 21/06/10 11:09, tim.... wrote: >>>> "Martin" <martin(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:hvn8ff$8da$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> On 21/06/10 01:34, Mike Lane wrote: >>>>>> tim.... wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Mike Lane" <mike.lane.usenet(a)ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:0001HW.C844468A001E81A7B01029BF(a)news.virginmedia.com... >>>>>>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this >>>>>>>>> trip. >>>>>>>>> My >>>>>>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the >>>>>>>>> Adriatic >>>>>>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm >>>>>>>>> requesting >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than >>>>>>>>> hotel >>>>>>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding >>>>>>>>> hotels, >>>>>>>>> places of interest, is appreciated! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before >>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>> about hotels and places of interest etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the >>>>>>>> various >>>>>>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>> this you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. >>>>>>>> Peugeot >>>>>>>> and Renault I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this >>>>>>>> website: >>>>>>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but >>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>> always taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. Driving through >>>>>>>> countries >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the former Republic of Yugoslavia seems just too dangerous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you are being too careful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Certainly driving straight down E70/75 is no danger at all, though >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> gives you no tourist stops. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E65 to Dubrovnik is no problem either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Unless you are driving an expensive car), as long as you are >>>>>>> sensible >>>>>>> where you park up for the night you shouldn't have any problems >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> ones connected with general bad driving (which IME you will >>>>>>> encounter >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> places as civilised as Belgium) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmm... Well perhaps I'll think about it for future trips. It's just >>>>>> that >>>>>> travelling through former war zones makes me feel uncomfortable. I >>>>>> can't >>>>>> help >>>>>> thinking that if I walked off the road for a pee out in the country I >>>>>> might >>>>>> step on a land-mine. >>>>> >>>>> The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended >>>>> to >>>>> get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned >>>>> that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully >>>>> returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met >>>>> several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never >>>>> again. Maybe things have improved since then. >>>> >>>> Of course things have changed since 81, it's silly to suggest >>>> otherwise. >>> >>> For the better or worse? :o) >>> >>> In most countries driving has got much worse since 1981 >> >> The amount of traffic is worse but the roads are better. >> >> I assumed you were talking about administrative aggro and the quality of >> the >> roads. > > In 1981 people complained about the local drivers, not the quality of > the roads. Well that hasn't changed, but as the roads are relatively empty it's much less of a problem than in many other countries I could mention tim
From: Mike Lane on 22 Jun 2010 05:43 Tom P wrote on Jun 21, 2010: > Mike Lane wrote: >> Martin wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >> >>> On 20/06/10 23:28, Mike Lane wrote: >>>> Ben Dover wrote on Jun 20, 2010: >>>> >>>>> As I stated, I'm in the VERY preliminary stage of planning this trip. My >>>>> original intent was to rent a car and drive, from Rome to the Adriatic >>>>> shore, then hug the coastline. Thus the information I'm requesting has >>>>> more to do with driving regulations, country to country, than hotel >>>>> recommendations, etc. From the feedback I'm receiving, it sounds like >>>>> driving may not be worth the hassle. But any advice regarding hotels, >>>>> places of interest, is appreciated! >>>> You've got to decide on your itinerary and means of travel before >>>> thinking >>>> about hotels and places of interest etc. >>>> >>>> I don't think it's sensible to rent a car in Europe to take into another >>>> country, but have you considered buying or leasing a car under the >>>> various >>>> 'buy-back' schemes offered by some European car manufactures? If you did >>>> this >>>> you would be free to take your car where ever you wanted. Peugeot and >>>> Renault >>>> I think do this kind of thing. Have a look at this website: >>>> http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/car_rentals.htm >>>> >>>> I've driven my own car from the UK to Greece several times, but I've >>>> always >>>> taken a ferry from Italy to Greece. >>> Us too. We took either the Ancona Patras ferry or the Venice Patras >>> Ferry. I took my car from Pireus to Naxos by ferry twice too. >>> >> >> Yes, it's a nice trip isn't it? We've tried Brindisi, Ancona and Venice. >> Brindisi is a nice small town and the ticket prices to Greece are lower, >> but >> I hate the drive down through Italy on their crappy motorways. We now go >> from >> Venice, which is very nice - a kind of mini-cruise. >> > > Yes, several years back we did Ancona-Igoumenitsa and a year later > Ancona-Patras. At the time the Italians had the brilliant idea of > digging up the entire Autostrada all the way from Milan to Ancona, IIRC > - a nightmare drive. They don't seem to have finished yet. What particularly bugs me is the Italian idea of a service station. The 20 or so parking spaces provided are always filled, so everyone parks where ever there's an empty space - including the slip roads or the motorway itself at times. Inside the laughably inadequate little sheds there's always a typical Italian mayhem - the system being that you push your way to the food and coffee counter, select what you want, memorise it and then push your way to the cashier at the other end of the shed who issues you with a slip which you then present back at the food counter, and finally try to consume your purchases among swarms of people all doing the same thing. At least the coffee's good though. -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire email: mike_lane at mac dot com
From: poldy on 25 Jun 2010 04:12 In article <888oisF582U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "tim...." <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended to > > get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned > > that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully > > returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met > > several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never > > again. Maybe things have improved since then. > > Of course things have changed since 81, it's silly to suggest otherwise. A couple of ethnic cleansings?
From: Martin on 25 Jun 2010 04:37
On 25/06/10 10:12, poldy wrote: > In article <888oisF582U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "tim...." <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>> The first time we went to Greece with a car was in 1981, we intended to >>> get there via Ancona-Patras and return via Yugoslavia. We were warned >>> that the drive through Yugoslavia was very dangerous and eventaully >>> returned to Itay by ferry from Patras to Ancona. On the ferry we met >>> several people who had driven to Greece via Yugoslavia and said never >>> again. Maybe things have improved since then. >> >> Of course things have changed since 81, it's silly to suggest otherwise. > > A couple of ethnic cleansings? and as somebody else suggested the mine fields. Cue Mixi |