From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on


Donna Evleth wrote:
>
> > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> > those who come after us.
> > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:17:26 +0000
> > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Evleth wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> >>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> >>> those who come after us.
> >>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
> >>> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:44:01 +0000
> >>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "tim...." wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Gregory Morrow" <rrrrrrrrrorrr(a)rrrnrjj.fi> wrote in message
> >>>> news:AJqdnURCYeG8uP3WnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
> >>>>> Earl Evleth wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 27/01/10 12:19, in article
> >>>>>> DsCdnWI0k5Crgv3WnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "Gregory Morrow"
> >>>>>> <rrrrrrrrrorrr(a)rrrnrjj.fi> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But the court said in its written judgement: "The dismissal was too
> >>>>>>> severe a measure. It is just a slice of cheese," reports AFP news
> >>>>>>> agency.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A reprimand was more in order.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Drastic treatment of workers is a hallmark of modern,
> >>>>>> profits-are-everything Capitalism. Basically
> >>>>>> terrorize the workers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To repeat, Capitalism has no social goals, it lacks
> >>>>>> human empathy. It ranks with Fascism in that regard.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This kerfuffle is something I'd expect in the US, not in the EU where
> >>>>> worker - protection laws are stronger...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wonder if this Dutch McDo's worker belonged to a union...???
> >>>>
> >>>> When you have courts that enforce employment rights properly, individually,
> >>>> you don't need to belong to a union.
> >>>>
> >>> What is in the contract? If there are rules for firing, then those
> >>> rules must be followed. If the work is at will, then the employer
> >>> should be able to fire the worker for any reason or no reason at
> >>> all. Regarding unions, they are a form of collusion which
> >>> interferes with the market. This is no different from any sort of
> >>> monopoly and should be limited.
> >>
> >> Kook alert.
> >>
> > Have you repeatedly refuted this comment? No. The comment is also
> > obviously true, unions are often monopolies. Consider the United
> > Auto Workers. Not only are they a monopoly against a single
> > company, they are a monopoly against most of an industry in a large
> > country. This allows the extortion I was talking about.
> >
> > Consider that the ploy unions used to raise their wages was to
> > strike *one* company in the industry. They told that company, and
> > not the others, that if it didn't cave in and give them the money
> > they wanted, they would strike it and only it until it was
> > destroyed. They wouldn't strike the other companies in the
> > industry, they'd let them continue to produce at the lower wage
> > rates. Who could withstand that? Now GM is bankrupt.
>
> There are a few other unions besides the Auto Workers. Are you claiming
> that this one example is the norm for all?
>
There is usually one main union in an industry. Or even across wide
swaths of the economy, the AFL-CIO.



> BTW, the auto industry in Detroit had a few other problems besides the
> union.
>
Sure, but the cost of labour, including the many gold plated
benefits demanded, created a situation where, for example, small
low profit margin cars could not be built in the US. This helped to
push American car makers towards large trucks and SUVs, where
margins could pay for the benefits and high wages. Then the gas
prices went up.
From: EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) on


Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote:
>
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote:

>> In the case
>> of Borders the employees are not even told when this is going go to happen,
>> and it's a condition of their employment that they not tell *anyone* when it
>> does happen...
>>
> Frankly, I'd make it legal to access these materials in the
> dumpsters.

But they shouldn't reach the dumpsters at all! With so many people in
the world starving (even in "developed" countries), unwanted food should
be made available to any who need it!

>> OTOH a number of food stores or restos will donate their over-stock or
>> whatever to food pantries and charities...and OTOH some forbid this
>> absolutely.
>>
> What I'm saying is that if this stuff matters to you, go to the
> place that isn't wasteful.
>
>
That's probably why the perpetrators don't make their actions public!
Those of us who grew up during the Great Depression were taught not to
waste food - meaning we ate what we were given, even if we disliked the
items served. Most American restaurants - although the portions may be
over-generous - will provide a "doggy bag" for your leftovers, upon
request. I suspect that, in most cases, the "dog" never sees them -
they provide the customer's next-day lunch.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on


John Rennie wrote:
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
> > On 28/01/10 10:11, in article 4B6154A4.A5A34300(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde
> > {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Unions are monopolies. I would replace the term "bargain" with
> >> "extortion".
> >
> >
> > You would but then you are the dumbest person on this group.
> >
>
> Yes he's dumb and the above comment proves it.
>
Being a socialist, I think you can't understand how close an
industry wide labour union is to an extortionist.


> But he is far
> away from being the dumbest on this group. Peejay and jiggy are
> dumber, much dumber, and even you at times can give him a contest.
>
Let's not leave you out of it.


--
"Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on


Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 28/01/10 18:23, in article coudnTiz16BlWvzWnZ2dnUVZ8oednZ2d(a)giganews.com,
> "John Rennie" <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes he's dumb and the above comment proves it. But he is far
> > away from being the dumbest on this group. Peejay and jiggy are
> > dumber, much dumber, and even you at times can give him a contest.
>
> None of you guys mastered quantum mechanics, whereas ----.
>
Nobody understands quantum mechanics, Earl.


--
"Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on


Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 28/01/10 19:18, in article C7879374.86525%devleth(a)wanadoo.fr, "Donna
> Evleth" <devleth(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > I think you are being terribly unfair to poor Bill. My own candidate for
> > the dumbest person on this group is PJ.
>
> I rate Bill's IQ in the category of dull normal.
>
The way you obsessively reply to me, you'd think you rated me as
interesting normal.



> With PJ? How do you judge the IQ of a paroquet.
>
> His paint and post stuff has not discussion and when
> he does, he posts like Bonde, stock statements indicating
> they have not thought anything out.
>
I don't post stock statements, Earl.