Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
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From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 29 Jan 2010 19:02 Michael wrote: > > Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: > > > > >> > > Unions are monopolies. I would replace the term "bargain" with > > "extortion". > > > In Europe, most large companies' employees are represented by several > unions, which means they are not monopolies. > Wait a minute. So you are saying that the workers in the same category have different unions? > On the face of it, unions > are made for situations like this, which merited a comment, a fine or > some sort of reprimand. But not firing. > But absent an employment contract, you work "at will". -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 29 Jan 2010 19:17 Mxsmanic wrote: > > Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes: > > > But it evens out in that both sides have the same rights. > > If the only way to exercise a right is to live under a bridge, it's not really > a right. > The right doesn't include a mandate that this employer provide you with that job. -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Earl Evleth on 30 Jan 2010 04:08 On 29/01/10 23:09, in article 4B635C81.B7E999BA(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > So we can look for the French to pack on the pounds? If you visit a French McDonalds you'll note that those there are all French, largely young and beefier than those on the street. The obesity rate in France is rising, although still less than half the US rate (which is over 30%). Judging from short visits to the UK, my feeling is that they are beefier than the French. Stats demonstrate this, and in fact the US is a leader nation with 30.6% with the UK trailing at 23%. France is listed at 9.4% near the bottom of the list at this site http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity I seem to remember, however that the French rate is higher than than and growing. I watch a low of WWII films about the war period. I noted here several times that films of the war workers in American factories showed no overweight problem, people had average body sizes. In contrast with the UK people had not food problem in the US. Likewise, films of Gis marching along showed no beefy GIs. example http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00979/World-War-Two-46 0_979006c.jpg The modern Gis are bulked up and trimed down a bit for service. http://cdn.wn.com/ph/img/9f/44/6da450235d25da12e3bf504346c0-grande.jpg and if bulked up they will get beefier as time passes. This kid is NOT bulked up http://coachrouse.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obese-kids.jpg nor these charming young ladies http://s4.hubimg.com/u/45495_f520.jpg
From: Earl Evleth on 30 Jan 2010 04:24 On 29/01/10 23:13, in article 4B635D94.CDBD4D36(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > How does terrorizing workers increase profits? The work for less and don't ask for more. Roughly speaking, labor costs around 60-70% of total revenues. Profits rarely exceed 10%. So if you terrorize a worker into working for 10% less you reduce you labor costs from, say 70%, to 63%. that 7% is added to the profits, and the profits go to 17%. That is a 10% drop in wages payments generates a 70% increase in profits. That is a huge incentive. Of course in real life examples the margins for this are lower, but still a 1% drop in wage payments generates a 10% increase in profits. What is true that in an expanding market where sales increase paying the workers more also increases profits. But only on a non-static improving situation. However, even more so, increasing the sales while still pressuring the workers for take less makes even more profits The median wages in the USA have not improved since the 1970s, they have been relatively static. The only the top few % have experienced great increases. The rich get richer and the average guy gets nothing more. That is modern capitalism at work.
From: Donna Evleth on 30 Jan 2010 06:42
> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > those who come after us. > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:02:33 +0000 > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... > > > > Michael wrote: >> >> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> Unions are monopolies. I would replace the term "bargain" with >>> "extortion". >>> >> In Europe, most large companies' employees are represented by several >> unions, which means they are not monopolies. >> > Wait a minute. So you are saying that the workers in the same > category have different unions? That's exactly what he is saying. Here in France, to give just one example, prison guards have three different unions, Ufap (specific to prison employees), FO (conservative), CGT (left wing). Not all prison guards belong to the same union. Donna Evleth |