Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
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From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 30 Jan 2010 09:57 Mxsmanic wrote: > > Gregory Morrow writes: > > > Now the capitalist fat cats are skinny, you don't see many wealthy people > > who are fat, and obesity is endemic in the poorer classes, primarily a > > result of poor but starchy diets. > > In the poorest countries, the poorest people die of starvation, because there > no food. In weatlhy countries, the poorest people die of complications of > obesity, because the cheapest food is very calorie-dense. > Food tends to be the cheapest thing going. Of course if you insist on buying pre-made TV dinners, your costs will skyrocket. -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 30 Jan 2010 10:06 Mxsmanic wrote: > > Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes: > > > The right doesn't include a mandate that this employer provide you > > with that job. > > I've already explained the inequality of the situation. > I don't see any inequality. > In fact, it is precisely this inequality that gave rise to labor unions. > Unions are monopolies which remove the bargain from the employer and employee relationship. They make everyone equal no matter what effort they put in on the job or how good they are at the job. > When > an employer can lose all of its workforce simultaneously (through a strike), > that puts it on an even footing with an employee who can lose all of his > income at once. Negotiations thus become much easier. > I bet. -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 30 Jan 2010 10:08 Earl Evleth wrote: > > On 30/01/10 14:57, in article 7je8m59c66dbigrlcr0dp427pj0k23tbg4(a)4ax.com, > "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > In fact, it is precisely this inequality that gave rise to labor unions. > > Inequalities are not limited to a single employee facing the immense power > of a company. Protecting the individual from the abuses of the many > is an ongoing battle. But one wonders why anybody would be duped > as to not recognize this in the economic domain. > Most people aren't in unions, therefore it seems either most people are "dupes" or you've got an error in your calculus again. > And wish to > preferentially take the side of the powerful. > It's hard to see how a union isn't powerful. > It is simply > the battle for individual liberty in the face of the despots. > Kook Alert. -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 30 Jan 2010 10:10 Donna Evleth wrote: > > > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > > those who come after us. > > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty > > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:02:33 +0000 > > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... > > > > > > > > Michael wrote: > >> > >> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: > >>> > >> > >>>> > >>> Unions are monopolies. I would replace the term "bargain" with > >>> "extortion". > >>> > >> In Europe, most large companies' employees are represented by several > >> unions, which means they are not monopolies. > >> > > Wait a minute. So you are saying that the workers in the same > > category have different unions? > > That's exactly what he is saying. Here in France, to give just one example, > prison guards have three different unions, Ufap (specific to prison > employees), FO (conservative), CGT (left wing). Not all prison guards > belong to the same union. > That doesn't even make any sense. What does "left wing" and "conservative" have to do with being in a union? A union has the intent of forcing big labour's views on the society, crushing the company, which is simply trying to do business. If there are ten unions, how can they strike and have any effect? They can't. There must be more going on that you are admitting. -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Mxsmanic on 30 Jan 2010 13:46
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes: > I don't see any inequality. When an employee leaves a company, he loses 100% of his income, but the company loses only a small fraction of its workforce. > Unions are monopolies which remove the bargain from the employer > and employee relationship. They make everyone equal no matter what > effort they put in on the job or how good they are at the job. That depends on the union. They do not remove bargaining, they allow it. A single employee can't bargain much, but a union that can make all employees stop working simultaneously is very well placed to bargain. Each employee risks his entire salary, the company risks its entire production. |