From: John Rennie on
Earl Evleth wrote:
> On 30/01/10 16:24, in article
> 6_Odne9t4Li80PnWnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d(a), "Gregory Morrow"
> <xxxax(a)> wrote:
>>> I watch a low of WWII films about the war period. I noted
>>> here several times that films of the war workers in
>>> American factories showed no overweight problem, people
>>> had average body sizes. In contrast with the UK people had
>>> not food problem in the US. Likewise, films of Gis marching
>>> along showed no beefy GIs.
>> Yep, that's something I notice,'ll see draftees lined up for
>> induction and these boys are *skinny*...
>> And there were still the lingering after - effects of the Depression and
>> it's malnutrition. IIRC initially quite a large percentage of draftees were
>> rejected on physical grounds, they were underweight and these guys suffered
>> the usual effects of nutritional deprivement, e.g. rickets, poor eyesight,
>> etc...
>> I have some old WWII recruiting booklets and pamphlets, the supplying of
>> "three square meals per day" is *really* emphasized. For a lot of the
>> poorer people entering the armed forces it would probably be the first time
>> intheir lives tht they routinely ate three times per day...
>> And at that time obesity was still considered a hallmark of the wealthy,
>> look at old _New Yorker_ or political cartoons or films or illustrations
>> that lampoon the wealthy, they are all "fat cats" in tails and top hats...
>> Now the capitalist fat cats are skinny, you don't see many wealthy people
>> who are fat, and obesity is endemic in the poorer classes, primarily a
>> result of poor but starchy diets.
> Jogging is a middle and upper class activity.
And both those classes eat better food.
From: Mxsmanic on
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> Most people aren't in unions, therefore it seems either most people
> are "dupes" or you've got an error in your calculus again.

The harder someone is to replace, the less useful a union is to him. Highly
skilled workers don't generally have unions, since employers cannot afford to
abuse them.
From: Mxsmanic on
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> Actually, wrong.

Jogging is good only for the heart. It puts a great deal of stress on the
muscles and joints and skeleton, and it greatly accentuates the effects of
gravity, causing things to sag faster. Overall it has no real advantages for
general health, and there are other forms of exercise that are more broadly
beneficial for the body.

People who jog are mainly just imitating others.
From: Mxsmanic on
Earl Evleth writes:

> Fat folks live in the suburbs. They won't walk two blocks,
> nobody is on the sidewalks in the suburbs. Some suburbs give
> the feeling of death. But the city is alive and walking.

Agreed. I like places where just about everything is within walking distance.
No need for a car, and often no need for mass transit, although it's good to
have it there if you need it.
From: zwart geld on
On Jan 29, 9:36 pm, Donna Evleth <devl...(a)> wrote:
> > From: zwart geld <michaelnewp...(a)>
> > Organization:
> > Newsgroups:,alt.activism.death-penalty
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:38:06 -0800 (PST)
> > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
> > On Jan 29, 2:08 pm, Donna Evleth <devl...(a)> wrote:
> >>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> >>> <tribuyltinafp...(a)>
> >>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> >>> those who come after us.
> >>> Newsgroups:,alt.activism.death-penalty
> >>> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:39:12 +0000
> >>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
> >>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> >>>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote:
> >>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>>>>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote:
> >>>>>> In the case
> >>>>>> of Borders the employees are not even told when this is going go to
> >>>>>> happen,
> >>>>>> and it's a condition of their employment that they not tell *anyone* when
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>> does happen...
> >>>>> Frankly, I'd make it legal to access these materials in the
> >>>>> dumpsters.
> >>>> But they shouldn't reach the dumpsters at all! With so many people in
> >>>> the world starving (even in "developed" countries), unwanted food should
> >>>> be made available to any who need it!
> >>> I think that food is often donated. I was more thinking of
> >>> supposedly unusable electronics or whatever. It amazes me what
> >>> people toss out.
> >>>>>> OTOH a number of food stores or restos will donate their over-stock or
> >>>>>> whatever to food pantries and charities...and OTOH some forbid this
> >>>>>> absolutely.
> >>>>> What I'm saying is that if this stuff matters to you, go to the
> >>>>> place that isn't wasteful.
> >>>> That's probably why the perpetrators don't make their actions public!
> >>>> Those of us who grew up during the Great Depression were taught not to
> >>>> waste food - meaning we ate what we were given, even if we disliked the
> >>>> items served. Most American restaurants - although the portions may be
> >>>> over-generous - will provide a "doggy bag" for your leftovers, upon
> >>>> request. I suspect that, in most cases, the "dog" never sees them -
> >>>> they provide the customer's next-day lunch.
> >>> That's a good thing, although Earl has some sort of problem with
> >>> it.
> >> The "doggy bag" has a down side. If you are a tourist traveling from place
> >> to place you cannot take advantage of it. Most motel rooms have neither
> >> refrigerators in which to store the left over food, nor microwaves in which
> >> to reheat it. This is almost always our situation. So the food is sent
> >> back to be wasted.
> >> BTW, I have also noticed that the doggy bag, once brought home, can get
> >> shoved to the back of the refrigerator, not eaten for the next day's lunch,
> >> eventually going bad and getting thrown out. I have seen this problem at
> >> the home of a relative.
> >> Donna Evleth
> > a dog
> I already have a dog, who went out to dinner with us here in France this
> very evening.  She enjoyed what we did not eat (which was not much, because
> portions are reasonable here).  She is our fourth dog.  All of our dogs have
> enjoyed being the dog at the restaurant who comes well before the "doggy
> bag".
> Donna Evleth

they let dogs in the resto ?