Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
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From: Earl Evleth on 31 Jan 2010 05:48 On 31/01/10 11:22, in article sdmam5pi15to3t7tj61i60gv06vribc6c8(a)4ax.com, "Magda" <no-spam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What's your interest? I imagine John is an English breakfast type, kippers and that sort of thing. I don't know if bangers are also breakfast fair?
From: Donna Evleth on 31 Jan 2010 06:24 > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > those who come after us. > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:10:11 +0000 > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... > > > > Donna Evleth wrote: >> >>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" >>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to >>> those who come after us. >>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty >>> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:02:33 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael wrote: >>>> >>>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Unions are monopolies. I would replace the term "bargain" with >>>>> "extortion". >>>>> >>>> In Europe, most large companies' employees are represented by several >>>> unions, which means they are not monopolies. >>>> >>> Wait a minute. So you are saying that the workers in the same >>> category have different unions? >> >> That's exactly what he is saying. Here in France, to give just one example, >> prison guards have three different unions, Ufap (specific to prison >> employees), FO (conservative), CGT (left wing). Not all prison guards >> belong to the same union. >> > That doesn't even make any sense. What does "left wing" and > "conservative" have to do with being in a union? A union has the > intent of forcing big labour's views on the society, crushing the > company, which is simply trying to do business. If there are ten > unions, how can they strike and have any effect? They can't. There > must be more going on that you are admitting. That's really the way it is here in France. There is nothing more going on than that. Unions here in France tend to reflect political views. Each union approaches each labor conflict from its own political philosophy. Some unions may be very active in a given strike, others more lukewarm, depending on what the issue is. A lot of the recent strikes have involved factory closings. The workers naturally oppose this. The unions call for strikes and demonstrations. I have yet to see any of these unions "forcing big labor's views on the society", since the company in question generally succeeds in closing the factories it considers non-productive, albeit not as quickly as they may have wished. You just don't understand the way the situation works here in France, and I despair of being able to explain it to you, since your your very negative ideas about unions are cast in concrete. You provide one model, and simply refuse to accept the idea that there may be others. Donna Evleth > > > > > -- > "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually > said.
From: Donna Evleth on 31 Jan 2010 06:27 > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > those who come after us. > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:05:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... > > > > Mxsmanic wrote: >> >> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes: >> >>> Food tends to be the cheapest thing going. Of course if you insist >>> on buying pre-made TV dinners, your costs will skyrocket. >> >> Food costs have skyrocketed in recent years, and balanced foods with good >> general nutritional value and expensive ingredients like protein are always >> more expensive than cheap carbohydrates. >> > Even the "poor" in first world countries have generally enough > money to buy staple foods. They tend to concentrate on buying cheap staples, like flour, beans, rice. Little or no meat, little or no fresh fruits and vegetables. It's the balance in the diet that is lacking. This is the point Mxsmanic was making, which seems to have gone completely over your head. Donna Evleth > > > > -- > "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually > said.
From: Donna Evleth on 31 Jan 2010 06:39 > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > those who come after us. > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:58:10 +0000 > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... > > > > John Rennie wrote: >> >> Mxsmanic wrote: >>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes: >>> >>>> While this is certainly possible, there are new views that this is >>>> in fact indicative of problems that modern man has with running, >>>> not problems with humans running in general. >>> >>> Given the stress that jogging puts on the knees, it is surprising that human >>> beings tolerate it so well. >>> >>>> Filthy buses, smog filled air, few trees, concrete as far as the >>>> eye can see, that's the city. People who live in the suburbs might >>>> have plenty of clean air, birds, trees, grass, wild animals >>>> wandering about, that sort of thing. >>> >>> It depends on whether you prefer people or things. >> >> Bill is definitely a 'thing's man. >> > I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean although I'll assume it's > yet another insult. I'm not materialist in the sense of being > greedy, if that's what you mean by 'things'. And I'm not > uninterested in conversation, although I want the conversation to > be about issues and not gossip. I know people who are worried > endlessly about who is dating who and that sort of thing. It seems > juvenile out of a 16 year old much less an adult. > > Regarding the city being where the people are, I've noticed that > people give progressively less attention to each other as they get > closer to the big city. Acknowledging everyone who comes by may be > the norm in a rural setting. Water, water, everywhere, no one > really talks to anyone. This is what you've noticed? I live in the big city, and I see people talking to each other all the time. Mothers stand in front of the schools chatting with one another while waiting to pick up their children. Neighbors stop and chat on the street. Dog owners always talk to each other as they walk their dogs. And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. > > I've noticed that cyclists or joggers tend to acknowledge someone > passing them almost universally, when they are also biking or > running. People out for a walk often ignore others. When > backpacking, I've noticed that the rules change, day hikers tend to > have the big city ways and just go on by without saying anything. > I've commented on returning to civilization that we're now within > the range of day hikers because the people are behaving > differently. Cyclists do not acknowledge others here in my city. They are a bunch of scofflaws. They habitually ride on the sidewalk, come up behind the pedestrians without warning. Often they are also riding on the wrong side of the street. (A friend who lives in NY says it is the same there.) If you remonstrate with them - talk to them - they get all huffy. As to runners, I meet them in the park all the time. They go faster than walkers, they expect you to get out of their way. You have to be pretty spry yourself to do so. Walking in the park is not for little old folks with canes. Donna Evleth > > > -- > "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually > said.
From: Donna Evleth on 31 Jan 2010 06:44
> From: zwart geld <michaelnewport(a)yahoo.com> > Organization: http://groups.google.com > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:50:18 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... > > On Jan 29, 9:36�pm, Donna Evleth <devl...(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote: >>> From: zwart geld <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com> >>> Organization:http://groups.google.com >>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:38:06 -0800 (PST) >>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... >> >>> On Jan 29, 2:08 pm, Donna Evleth <devl...(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote: >>>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" >>>>> <tribuyltinafp...(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave >>>>> to >>>>> those who come after us. >>>>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty >>>>> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:39:12 +0000 >>>>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice... >> >>>>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: >> >>>>>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: >> >>>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote: >>>>>>>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: >> >>>>>>>> In the case >>>>>>>> of Borders the employees are not even told when this is going go to >>>>>>>> happen, >>>>>>>> and it's a condition of their employment that they not tell *anyone* >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> does happen... >> >>>>>>> Frankly, I'd make it legal to access these materials in the >>>>>>> dumpsters. >> >>>>>> But they shouldn't reach the dumpsters at all! With so many people in >>>>>> the world starving (even in "developed" countries), unwanted food should >>>>>> be made available to any who need it! >> >>>>> I think that food is often donated. I was more thinking of >>>>> supposedly unusable electronics or whatever. It amazes me what >>>>> people toss out. >> >>>>>>>> OTOH a number of food stores or restos will donate their over-stock or >>>>>>>> whatever to food pantries and charities...and OTOH some forbid this >>>>>>>> absolutely. >> >>>>>>> What I'm saying is that if this stuff matters to you, go to the >>>>>>> place that isn't wasteful. >> >>>>>> That's probably why the perpetrators don't make their actions public! >>>>>> Those of us who grew up during the Great Depression were taught not to >>>>>> waste food - meaning we ate what we were given, even if we disliked the >>>>>> items served. Most American restaurants - although the portions may be >>>>>> over-generous - will provide a "doggy bag" for your leftovers, upon >>>>>> request. I suspect that, in most cases, the "dog" never sees them - >>>>>> they provide the customer's next-day lunch. >> >>>>> That's a good thing, although Earl has some sort of problem with >>>>> it. >> >>>> The "doggy bag" has a down side. If you are a tourist traveling from place >>>> to place you cannot take advantage of it. Most motel rooms have neither >>>> refrigerators in which to store the left over food, nor microwaves in which >>>> to reheat it. This is almost always our situation. So the food is sent >>>> back to be wasted. >> >>>> BTW, I have also noticed that the doggy bag, once brought home, can get >>>> shoved to the back of the refrigerator, not eaten for the next day's lunch, >>>> eventually going bad and getting thrown out. I have seen this problem at >>>> the home of a relative. >> >>>> Donna Evleth >> >>> ...buy a dog >> >> I already have a dog, who went out to dinner with us here in France this >> very evening. �She enjoyed what we did not eat (which was not much, because >> portions are reasonable here). �She is our fourth dog. �All of our dogs have >> enjoyed being the dog at the restaurant who comes well before the "doggy >> bag". >> >> Donna Evleth > > they let dogs in the resto ? For sure. At our favorite local restaurant, the owners themselves have a dog, a Yorkie named Divine, who is present and greets the patrons. She and our Britanie have decided on mutually ignoring each other, that is how they have settled the "top dog" issue. Donna Evleth |