From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on

Earl Evleth wrote:
> On 30/01/10 19:49, in article 9mv8m519cvpvucqp92pub4v4pohrigvd3k(a),
> "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)> wrote:
> > People who jog are mainly just imitating others.
> I think it is a feel good exercise in that sense.
> They feel superior to others but also with themselves.
They might actually feel better. If I go rid 20 miles, I'm likely
to feel energized by it.

> Most exercise practiced alone is boring. I suspect
Nothing prevents you from thinking while exercising. And there's
always an audiobook or something like that. Maybe "Theme From

> that most home exercise equipment gathers dust
> after a few weeks. Games are interesting, human
> competition comes into play. Some games you
> have to be good at to enjoy however. I only
> played tennis a few times and spent most of
> the time chasing the ball.
Bring more than one ball.

> At least with ping
> pong the ball does not go far. Golf did not
> seem like that much exercise, except the long
> walk. And people escape the long walk now
> with golf carts demonstrating the most people
> do not play golf for the exercise.
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From: John Rennie on
Earl Evleth wrote:
> On 31/01/10 13:58, in article 4B657E80.739F26B8(a), "Bill Bonde
> {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> <tribuyltinafpant(a)> wrote:
>> There's no doubt that there are people on this earth who are baring
>> making it food wise. Some are starving. But the issue was first
>> world "poor" who often have cell phones, high speed internet, seven
>> Showtimes, three HBOs and drive cars around rather than walking or
>> riding a bike. My assumption is that they would give those things
>> up if they were actually starving, and since they are often
>> overweight, the argument that they are starving is silly.
> You should try and document your blather!
> Not everybody in a 3rd world country is poor.
> The statistical mean income could well be $2-$4
> for a country and you'd still have 10% very well off.
> For instance "30 Jun 2009 In general, per capita income in Ghana is below
> $400," That is below $2 per working day. Yet, in the country you see
> expensive houses and people driving around in expensive cars.
> Those rich people are being served by the low wage masses. Those
> rich have cell phones, internet etc, I know because we have been
> in their homes. But the people out on the streets, at each corner
> trying to sell you things cheaply do not have these things.
> You have to understand and not be so blind.

Is obesity that much of a problem anyway? Won't it help
to kill off this ageing population that might overwhelm
us? Or will the problems connected with obesity overwhelm
us even before ageing does.

Which brings me to a very pressing problem facing the
Health Service in the UK. Should very obese people requiring
stomach reduction surgery take precedence over others
requiring urgent operations? They are even being actively
encouraged to put on even more weight to jump the queue.

I'm inclined to think we should make these operations
be paid for privately anyway. The patients condition
is, after all, self inflicted. I bet Bill agrees with
me on this one unless of course he's in the queue.
From: JohnT on
On 31/01/2010 6:35 PM, Mxsmanic wrote:
> Martin writes:
>> It's your income that is not keeping up with food prices.
> According to the reports I've read, nobody except the wealthy has been able to
> keep up with food prices.

Which reports?
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on

Donna Evleth wrote:
> > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> > <tribuyltinafpant(a)>
> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> > those who come after us.
> > Newsgroups:,alt.activism.death-penalty
> > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:10:11 +0000
> > Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Evleth wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> >>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)>
> >>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> >>> those who come after us.
> >>> Newsgroups:,alt.activism.death-penalty
> >>> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:02:33 +0000
> >>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Unions are monopolies. I would replace the term "bargain" with
> >>>>> "extortion".
> >>>>>
> >>>> In Europe, most large companies' employees are represented by several
> >>>> unions, which means they are not monopolies.
> >>>>
> >>> Wait a minute. So you are saying that the workers in the same
> >>> category have different unions?
> >>
> >> That's exactly what he is saying. Here in France, to give just one example,
> >> prison guards have three different unions, Ufap (specific to prison
> >> employees), FO (conservative), CGT (left wing). Not all prison guards
> >> belong to the same union.
> >>
> > That doesn't even make any sense. What does "left wing" and
> > "conservative" have to do with being in a union? A union has the
> > intent of forcing big labour's views on the society, crushing the
> > company, which is simply trying to do business. If there are ten
> > unions, how can they strike and have any effect? They can't. There
> > must be more going on that you are admitting.
> That's really the way it is here in France. There is nothing more going on
> than that. Unions here in France tend to reflect political views. Each
> union approaches each labor conflict from its own political philosophy.
> Some unions may be very active in a given strike, others more lukewarm,
> depending on what the issue is.
So they strike in unison? Because the whole point of the union as a
means of extorting high wages is to strike and force compliance by
the company. If one of three unions strike, that won't do that. If
they have different names for unions within the company based on
how you vote, which seems odd to me, whatever, but I've certainly
seen news reports on the many strikes in France and they are very
effective at stopping things up. So they must work together on

> A lot of the recent strikes have involved factory closings. The workers
> naturally oppose this. The unions call for strikes and demonstrations. I
> have yet to see any of these unions "forcing big labor's views on the
> society", since the company in question generally succeeds in closing the
> factories it considers non-productive, albeit not as quickly as they may
> have wished.
Labour probably can't stop that. What they can do is extort higher
than market wages.

> You just don't understand the way the situation works here in France, and I
> despair of being able to explain it to you, since your your very negative
> ideas about unions are cast in concrete. You provide one model, and simply
> refuse to accept the idea that there may be others.
France is notorious for having unions that are powerful, there's no
way to convince me they aren't powerful.

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From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on

Magda wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:26:59 +0100, in, Earl Evleth <evleth(a)>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... On 30/01/10 19:46, in article xt6dnXdk4Onm4_nWnZ2dnUVZ8jti4p2d(a),
> ... "John Rennie" <john-rennie(a)> wrote:
> ...
> ... > And both those classes eat better food.
> ...
> ... American eating habits are somewhat influenced by TV advertising.
> ... Junk foods have high profits and get a big play. Poor kids
> ... see the ads and get their parents to buy the item.
> ...
> ... This brain washing even extends higher. We still remember when
> ... a new breakfast cereal came on the market when our daughter
> ... was young. It was called "Banana Wackies" and pushed by a crazy
> ... looking animal pushing in one one of the programs our
> ... daughter watched. She bugged us to get it and we did.
> ... One bite and she refused to eat the rest, its banana odor
> ... was too powerful. We tried to give it to our dog who refused
> ... it too! This was of course and experimental marketing try
> ... by whoever, and it failed and was off the market in a couple
> ... of days.
> ...
> ... Various junk food providers have to fight for shelf space
> ... in the markets, and if a product does not sell they lose
> ... their shelf space. So brain washing advertising is
> ... essential in the business.
> ...
> ... An American super market will have a large section devoted
> ... to breakfast cereal. Both Donna and my generation were brought
> ... up on Wheaties, Cornflakes, etc. which are eated with milk
> ... and lots of sugar. In retrospect it was a poor diet
> ... but basically breakfast is not that an interesting meal.
> ... Donna has it better than me, she gets a healthy slice
> ... of smoked salmon every morning, a good dose of omega 3
> ... and a low blood cholesterol. I have orange juice and
> ... a croissant with jam + coffee. When traveling in the USA
> ... we gorge on unhealthy bacon and eggs, but that is
> ... brief. We have not had breakfast cereals in 30 years or
> ... more and they don't represent to us a comfort food
> ... from our youths.
> When I was 10, all skin and bones, I bugged my folks to get me cornflakes. I ate it every
> morning for about a month - and then I found out I had gained a pound. That did it, I
> never touched "breakfast cereal" again in my life.
> If you ask me, cereal serves one and only one purpose: fattening up cattle.
You sound like you may have an eating disorder. Someone who is "all
skin and bones" and then swears off a food that caused them to
"gain[] a pound" is a bit off.

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