From: Mxsmanic on
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> It's cheap enough that they almost can make it into alcohol or
> biodiesel and use it in your car.

It's not going through two animal bodies first in that case.
From: Mxsmanic on
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> Food is so cheap, that farmers can't even afford to make more of
> it, so government provide price supports.

There's a huge difference between what farmers are paid for the food they
grow, and what consumers must pay to buy food.
From: Mxsmanic on
JohnT writes:

> Which reports?

I didn't keep the URLs.
From: Mxsmanic on
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> There's no doubt that there are people on this earth who are baring
> making it food wise. Some are starving. But the issue was first
> world "poor" who often have cell phones, high speed internet, seven
> Showtimes, three HBOs and drive cars around rather than walking or
> riding a bike. My assumption is that they would give those things
> up if they were actually starving, and since they are often
> overweight, the argument that they are starving is silly.

They are not starving; they are malnourished. That's the difference between
Third World and First World. But heart disease and diabetes can kill you just
as surely as starvation.

And First-World poor people do not necessarily have all the things you
describe. Even if they do, these things are often cheaper than food. A cell
phone might cost only $30 a month, compared to hundreds of dollars per month
to feed just one person.
From: Mxsmanic on
John Rennie writes:

> Is obesity that much of a problem anyway? Won't it help
> to kill off this ageing population that might overwhelm
> us? Or will the problems connected with obesity overwhelm
> us even before ageing does.

Obesity isn't just a problem of old people.

> Which brings me to a very pressing problem facing the
> Health Service in the UK. Should very obese people requiring
> stomach reduction surgery take precedence over others
> requiring urgent operations? They are even being actively
> encouraged to put on even more weight to jump the queue.
> I'm inclined to think we should make these operations
> be paid for privately anyway. The patients condition
> is, after all, self inflicted. I bet Bill agrees with
> me on this one unless of course he's in the queue.

If the UK had a working public health system, there would be no queues, and
this problem wouldn't arise.