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From: Mxsmanic on 31 Jan 2010 20:42
Mr Q. Z. Diablo writes:

> This is surely a no-brainer?
>
> I probably cycle around 35km every day and consume around 12000kJ worth of food
> (I'm assuming that my intake is around normal). Covering that distance takes a
> total of around 1 hour and 25 minutes. Even if we assume that this is all the
> energy that I consume in a day and it accounts for my entire food intake, we're
> talking about (a few napkin calculations are required here) a power output of
> 2380 Watts. This is plainly ludicrous (I would be gobsmacked if even a world
> championship cyclist would put 2.5-odd kW to the pedals). Even a small,
> economical, four cylinder car puts out (and hence consumes) out a couple of
> dozen times that amount. I am frankly surprised that people wouldn't figure
> that out without resorting to any kind of numerical calculation.

What about the sunlight and fossil fuel required to raise food crops for
animals, the consumption of energy by the crops, by the animals, and by you?
It all adds up. One hundred square feet of cropland receives about 12,000 kwh
of solar energy in a six-month period. How many square feet for how long are
required to produce the food that feeds the animals that eventually gets put
into the bicycle. Add it all up and it is very, VERY wasteful.
From: Mxsmanic on 31 Jan 2010 20:43
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> While this is true, perhaps you could go buy your wheat from Farmer
> Bob.

That is not generally possible, and even when it is possible it is not usually
practical.
From: Mxsmanic on 31 Jan 2010 20:45
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> While that may be true, whose fault is that?

That depends on the reasons for their poverty. It is a consequence of poverty
to a large extent.

> But we are talking about not what you can spend on food but what
> you need to spend on food to get proper nutrition.

Getting rid of the cell phone won't make a dent in a food bill of hundreds of
dollars per month. It especially won't make a dent in the nutritional value of
that food.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 31 Jan 2010 14:27


Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:
>
> > The corn ones are better for you since they don't need the
> > saturated fat. Flour tortillas have a lot of fat in them.
>
> From where? It's just bread.
>
It's made with saturated fat.




--
"Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
said.
From: Mxsmanic on 31 Jan 2010 20:53
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) writes:

> It's made with saturated fat.

Bread is made with saturated fat?
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