From: Stephen Ellenson on

"mikeos" <mikeos3(a)> wrote in message
> Stephen Ellenson wrote:
>> I think it depends on whether it was real cheese (I'm from Wisconsin) or
>> the fake stuff McDo's calls cheese (non-cheese). I don't think she should
>> be sacked for giving away non-cheese:-) (un-cheese? pseudo-cheese?
>> plastic-yellow-cheese-like-substance?)
> "Blessed are the cheesemakers"

For they shall inherit the girth :-)

From: terrable on

"Earl Evleth" <evleth(a)> wrote in message
> On 27/01/10 12:19, in article
> DsCdnWI0k5Crgv3WnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d(a), "Gregory Morrow"
> <rrrrrrrrrorrr(a)> wrote:
>> But the court said in its written judgement: "The dismissal was too
>> severe a
>> measure. It is just a slice of cheese," reports AFP news agency.
> A reprimand was more in order.
> Drastic treatment of workers is a hallmark of modern,
> profits-are-everything Capitalism. Basically
> terrorize the workers.
> To repeat, Capitalism has no social goals, it lacks
> human empathy. It ranks with Fascism in that regard.

Your usual left wing nonsense.

And since when does Socialism have any social goals (other than complete
social control) or human empathy.

Here is the typical Socialist point of view from Denmark - tax the
contibutions made to benefit the Haiti earthquake victims. Real human
empathy from the Socialists there. The hell with the Haiti earthquake
victims, we want more tax kroner.

"Authorities consider taxing companies for donations to disaster victims
because of the public relations benefits

After a national collection raised millions in relief money for the victims
of Haiti's deadly earthquake, tax authority Skat appears ready to step in
and take a share of the kitty, reports Berlingske Tidende newspaper.

Donations make good PR for companies. But is that the reason companies have
given money to the victims of the disaster in Haiti?

Skat believes the donations are subject to taxation because the companies
benefit in a PR sense."

From: Go Fig on
On Jan 27, 12:51 pm, "Gregory Morrow" <rrrrrrrrro...(a)>
> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote:
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> McDonald's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice
> >>>> A McDonald's outlet in the Netherlands was wrong to sack an
> >>>> employee for giving a colleague a piece of cheese on a hamburger,
> >>>> a court has ruled.
> >>>> The waitress was fired last March after she sold a hamburger to a
> >>>> co-worker who then asked for cheese, which she added.
> >>>> The fast-food chain argued this turned the hamburger into a
> >>>> cheeseburger, and so she should have charged more.
> >>>> But Leeuwarden district court ruled a written warning would have
> >>>> been more appropriate.
> >>>> McDonald's was ordered to pay the former employee more than 4,200
> >>>> euros ($5,900; £3,660) for the last five months of her contract.
> >>>> The fast-food chain had argued that the waitress - who was employed
> >>>> at a branch in the northern town of Lemmer - had broken staff rules
> >>>> prohibiting free gifts to family, friends or colleagues.
> >>>> But the court said in its written judgement: "The dismissal was too
> >>>> severe a measure. It is just a slice of cheese," reports AFP news
> >>>> agency.
> >>>> The ruling comes days after McDonald's reported an increase in net
> >>>> profits by almost a quarter in the last three months of 2009..."
> >>>> </>
> >>> It has been many years since I worked in the restaurant industry
> >>> (and those I worked in were on a somewhat higher "social" scale than
> >>>   McD's). However, most restaurants - at least in California -
> >>> included meals as part of their employees' salaries.  (At least I
> >>> infer that "colleague" implies the recipient of the cheese was a
> >>> fellow-employee.)
> >> The provision of meals for employees varies according to the
> >> situation, in some restos it's standard practise, in larger
> >> corporate - type chain places it may not be...
> >> I know people that work in a Border's (large chain of US bookstores)
> >> and workers in the cafes in these stores are *expressly* forbidden
> >> from taking home leftovers at the end of the shift - *all* unsold
> >> food items *must* be disposed of at the end of the shift.  I've also
> >> known of cases of, say, flight attendants who have been reprimanded
> >> - or even sacked - for taking leftover food items from the plane
> >> galleys.  The severity of such rules - or the lack of them - is
> >> entirely up to the employer.
> > I think though that customers who believe in frugality and abhor
> > such waste should make their views known.
> "Customers" don't enter into the equation, Bill...
> Didja read a coupla weeks back about big retail stores who dump large
> numbers of items into the trash even though the items are perfectly usable?
> Clothier H&M was one culprit mentioned in the IIRC _New York Times_ story..
> Not only do they dump the items, but they tear them up so anyone that finds
> them in the trash will not be able to use them.  Border's books is another
> chain that does this, a large store routinely dumps thousands of dollars
> worth of perfectly good merchandise into the trash each month.  In the case
> of Borders the employees are not even told when this is going go to happen,
> and it's a condition of their employment that they not tell *anyone* when it
> does happen...
> OTOH a number of food stores or restos will donate their over-stock or
> whatever to food pantries and charities...and OTOH some forbid this
> absolutely.
> --
> Best
> Greg

Surely they mentioned that they are concerned that these items might
be returned to stores for credit or cash.

Can employees quit at anytime for any reason in the EU ?

Wed Jan 27, 2010
From: Earl Evleth on
On 27/01/10 20:01, in article hjq2j202k0j(a),
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop(a)> wrote:

> Earl Evleth wrote:
>> I think Mac calls their cheese "cheddar", having that color (
>> the cheddars some in two colors, as least at our local cheese
>> shop in Paris, one of which is not colored (see photo
>> It originated from an English village of Cheddar. It is
>> extensively imitated world wide.
> Actually, at least in the U.S., McD's (and most other fast-food
> restaurants) serves an abomination called "American" cheese, which has
> nothing in common with cheddar ("imitation" or "real") except its color!

According to the wiki it is as I expected a processed cheese.
From its description

"manufactured from a set of ingredients[1] such as milk, whey, milkfat, milk
protein concentrate, whey protein concentrate, and salt."

It does not sound like a cheese at all but a concocted imitation cheese.

It appears that formally "It has traditionally been made from a blend of
cheeses, most often Colby and Cheddar."

In the past I have kidded waiters at French restaurant, when the brought
the cheese board, "what, you have no American cheese?" indicated that
this a prejudice against American food. I got tired of saying that
so don't mention it.

From: Earl Evleth on
On 27/01/10 20:19, in article 7sbhrcF1tkU1(a), "tim...."
<tims_new_home(a)> wrote:

>> Regarding unions, they are a form of collusion which
>> interferes with the market. This is no different from any sort of
>> monopoly and should be limited.
> It is (limited).

Unions serve the roll of balancing the power, referred to as a
"countervailing" described by Galibraith (Countervailing power is the theory
of political modification of markets, formulated by American economist John
Kenneth Galbraith in his 1952 book American Capitalism.)

It can hardly be said these days that they represent a threat to the
Capitalist system, the latter represents suffiicent threat to itself.

I read Galbraith's book at the time and the term stay with me.

Anti-union sentiment is standard in the USA, less so in Europe.
The French media refers to negotiation or other social measures taken
by the government as sometimes using the "social partners",
meaning both the unions and the corporations, perhaps other

With regard to strikes French public opinion usually sides with the unions
and the workers. The French are sensitized to the imbalance of power
with the large interests (including the French government) dominating
the scene. In the past I have noticed that politically, the French communist
party unfailingly backs to workers. The CGT historically as dominated
by the Communists. Without that countervailing power, social progress
would not have occurred in France.