From: Donna Evleth on


> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:48:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
>
>
>
> Donna Evleth wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
>>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
>>> those who come after us.
>>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:10:11 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Donna Evleth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
>>>>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave
>>>>> to
>>>>> those who come after us.
>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
>>>>> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:02:33 +0000
>>>>> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unions are monopolies. I would replace the term "bargain" with
>>>>>>> "extortion".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Europe, most large companies' employees are represented by several
>>>>>> unions, which means they are not monopolies.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Wait a minute. So you are saying that the workers in the same
>>>>> category have different unions?
>>>>
>>>> That's exactly what he is saying. Here in France, to give just one
>>>> example,
>>>> prison guards have three different unions, Ufap (specific to prison
>>>> employees), FO (conservative), CGT (left wing). Not all prison guards
>>>> belong to the same union.
>>>>
>>> That doesn't even make any sense. What does "left wing" and
>>> "conservative" have to do with being in a union? A union has the
>>> intent of forcing big labour's views on the society, crushing the
>>> company, which is simply trying to do business. If there are ten
>>> unions, how can they strike and have any effect? They can't. There
>>> must be more going on that you are admitting.
>>
>> That's really the way it is here in France. There is nothing more going on
>> than that. Unions here in France tend to reflect political views. Each
>> union approaches each labor conflict from its own political philosophy.
>> Some unions may be very active in a given strike, others more lukewarm,
>> depending on what the issue is.
>>
> So they strike in unison? Because the whole point of the union as a
> means of extorting high wages is to strike and force compliance by
> the company. If one of three unions strike, that won't do that. If
> they have different names for unions within the company based on
> how you vote, which seems odd to me, whatever, but I've certainly
> seen news reports on the many strikes in France and they are very
> effective at stopping things up. So they must work together on
> this.
>
>
>
>> A lot of the recent strikes have involved factory closings. The workers
>> naturally oppose this. The unions call for strikes and demonstrations. I
>> have yet to see any of these unions "forcing big labor's views on the
>> society", since the company in question generally succeeds in closing the
>> factories it considers non-productive, albeit not as quickly as they may
>> have wished.
>>
> Labour probably can't stop that. What they can do is extort higher
> than market wages.
>
>
>
>> You just don't understand the way the situation works here in France, and I
>> despair of being able to explain it to you, since your your very negative
>> ideas about unions are cast in concrete. You provide one model, and simply
>> refuse to accept the idea that there may be others.
>>
> France is notorious for having unions that are powerful, there's no
> way to convince me they aren't powerful.

But there is not just one of them per industry. That is the point I was
making.

Donna Evleth
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
> said.

From: Donna Evleth on


> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:12:31 +0000
> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
>
>
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> Earl Evleth writes:
>>
>>> Where do you get corn tortillas in Paris?
>>
>> I haven't paid much attention. I just buy tortillas, without checking to see
>> if they are wheat or corn flour. Most of them are probably wheat.
>>
> The corn ones are better for you since they don't need the
> saturated fat. Flour tortillas have a lot of fat in them.

The fat must be what replaces the taste. I find flour tortillas bland and
uninteresting.

Donna Evleth
>
> --
> "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
> said.

From: Donna Evleth on


> From: Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
> Organization: Just Mxsmanic
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:35:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
>
> Donna Evleth writes:
>
>> I presume you do not eat standard commercial rice or corn breakfast cereals.
>
> Correct. I don't like breakfast cereals.
>
> I eat rice in the form of cooked basmati rice or in prepared meals like
> risotto or whatever. Corn I eat mainly as popcorn or tortillas, etc.
>
>> My reason is that I am
>> diabetic, and eating such things, especially first thing in the morning,
>> will send my blood glucose to the moon. I eat protein and fat first thing
>> in the morning.
>
> Protein and fat are more expensive than starch and sugar.

I know that. But given my health situation, I have to spend the extra
money.
>
>> I have type 2 diabetes, a life style disease but I have never had the
>> lifestyle. I currently weigh between 55 and 56 kilos, and I have to work
>> hard to maintain that weight. My weight at the time of diagnosis was 54
>> kilos. I tried anti-diabetic medicine which was a disaster, bringing my
>> weight to my all time adult low of 51 kilos. I stand 168 centimeters. I
>> now control my disease with diet and exercise alone.
>
> Why was medicine a disaster?

Acute chronic diarrhea. That was what brought my weight down, and it had me
pretty much trapped at home. Within 24 hours after stopping the medicine,
the diarrhea stopped. I decided, after that disastrous experience, that I
would try to manage my disease without medication. I have done so
successfully for 4 1/2 years now.

Donna Evleth

From: Mr Q. Z. Diablo on
On 2010-02-01, John Rennie <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> unwisely decided to post the following to Usenet:
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> John Rennie writes:
>>
>>> I'm not quite sure you understand me. You use the example of mashed
>>> potatoes which has a high GI. We are agreed that high GI foods
>>> are to be avoided are we not?
>>
>> A person in normal health need not avoid high GI foods. A person who has
>> problems with glucose metabolism, such as a diabetic, should probably avoid
>> them in order to make blood glucose management easier.
>
> Or a person who wants to avoid getting fat - much more common
> than being diabetic. I just don't know why you used that
> example when I was endeavouring to explain that not all
> carbohydrates are rapidly digested. Good old porridge oats
> eaten in moderation is an excellent breakfast; a damn
> sight cheaper than bacon, eggs and buttered toast and far
> less fattening.

Just goes to show that we can't really agree about anything much. I'm OK with
a good mash but one has to keep moving in order to offset such stuff. It's not
about the high GI, BTW. It's more about the butter and milk that tend to get
used.

--
"Who gets a hard-on during Kwanzaa? Nobody!"
- Dan Savage
From: Donna Evleth on


> From: John Rennie <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net>
> Reply-To: john-rennie(a)talktalk.net
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:22:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: Dutch McDo's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice...
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>> On 31/01/10 13:58, in article 4B657E80.739F26B8(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde
>> {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> There's no doubt that there are people on this earth who are baring
>>> making it food wise. Some are starving. But the issue was first
>>> world "poor" who often have cell phones, high speed internet, seven
>>> Showtimes, three HBOs and drive cars around rather than walking or
>>> riding a bike. My assumption is that they would give those things
>>> up if they were actually starving, and since they are often
>>> overweight, the argument that they are starving is silly.
>>
>> You should try and document your blather!
>>
>> Not everybody in a 3rd world country is poor.
>> The statistical mean income could well be $2-$4
>> for a country and you'd still have 10% very well off.
>>
>> For instance "30 Jun 2009 In general, per capita income in Ghana is below
>> $400," That is below $2 per working day. Yet, in the country you see
>> expensive houses and people driving around in expensive cars.
>> Those rich people are being served by the low wage masses. Those
>> rich have cell phones, internet etc, I know because we have been
>> in their homes. But the people out on the streets, at each corner
>> trying to sell you things cheaply do not have these things.
>>
>> You have to understand and not be so blind.
>>
>>
>
>
> Is obesity that much of a problem anyway? Won't it help
> to kill off this ageing population that might overwhelm
> us? Or will the problems connected with obesity overwhelm
> us even before ageing does.

The obese are certainly a cash cow for the orthopedists. Obesity is very
hard on knees and hips. A wonderful specialty - the care is expensive and
ongoing, your patients do not get you up in the middle of the night, and
they rarely die of the problem for which they are seeing you.

Donna Evleth