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From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 13 Jan 2010 23:59 Donna Evleth wrote: > > > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > > those who come after us. > > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe > > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:21:08 +0000 > > Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid' > > > > > > > > Donna Evleth wrote: > >> > >>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > >>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > >>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > >>> those who come after us. > >>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe > >>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:00:11 +0000 > >>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid' > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Donna Evleth wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colour me colourless)" > >>>>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > >>>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave > >>>>> to > >>>>> those who come after us. > >>>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe > >>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:02:05 +0000 > >>>>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more than > >>>>> Nazisdid' > >>>>> > >>>>> Didn't you contest the claim that English words were disfavoured by > >>>>> officialdom in the French idioma? If official documents must be "in > >>>>> French", doesn't that substantially prove the original assertion > >>>>> about the insular nature of the French and their Sprache? Which is > >>>>> odd compared to people nearby on an island with the most open major > >>>>> language in the world. > >>>> > >>>> There are people in the US who are screaming because election ballots and > >>>> driver's license exams are in Spanish as well as English. The screamers > >>>> want English only. > >>>> > >>> Because the language of the United States is English. You can speak > >>> any languages you want, and there's nothing wrong with that, but > >>> you should know the English. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Here is an excerpt from an article in the Seoul Times of January 12, 2010 > >>>> on > >>>> the subject: > >>>> > >>>> Adding ballots in languages other than English might increase the cost of > >>>> printing election materials from 15 to 40 percent. Adding bilingual poll > >>>> workers adds to the expense. > >>>> > >>> Is that even possible? Who knows what '2nd' language someone might > >>> want? > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cost is a definite concern, but some people have other strong reservations. > >>>> Some object to the very idea of ballots in languages other than English. > >>>> Some people fear that voting in Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese, or whatever > >>>> second language the law might require, will result in the beginning of a > >>>> slippery rope which will Balkanize the country and lead it the same path as > >>>> Canada into a possible break up. > >>>> > >>> Is that the same fear that the French feel? I take what the French > >>> are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their > >>> language. But you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of > >>> anyone who might try to write or speak in French. I was told in > >>> this very newsgroup to try to write in French because the poster > >>> wanted a laugh. Apparently they couldn't find enough laughs in what > >>> I write in English. > >> > >> You are telling me that I "don't have to go far to hear people make fun of > >> anyone who might try to write or speak in French". > >> > > It's what French speakers do whenever someone tries to speak > > French. > > No, they don't. > I just visited upon you an example from this very newsgroup. > I'm the one who lives in France, not you, so I know more > about it than you do, having a much better opportunity to judge. > But you speak fluent French. Good grief! I'm talking about going on holiday and stammering out a request for bonbons. > >> This is one of your more > >> stupid remarks. The French love people who are not native francophones who > >> make the effort to read and write in French. > >> > > Oh give me a break. > > No, you give me a break, from your tedious stereotyping. > Show me where the support is for people who wish to practice French on the French. > >> I am a living example. In > >> December 2009 I had an article published in a prestigious French journal, Le > >> Mouvement Social, in French. The reason I had an article published in this > >> very prestigious journal is because those closely involved with the journal > >> thought an article by me would be a good thing. One of the people who > >> suggested this did not know me personally. He only knew my work, and > >> respected it. > >> > > What does this have to do with what I was talking about? > > Bill, Bill, you are the one who said above: "Is that the same fear that the > French feel? I take what the French > are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their language. But > you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of > anyone who might try to write or speak in French." Have you forgotten your > very own words? I was demonstrating French reactions to my writing in > French. > BUT YOU ARE FREAKIN FRENCH! -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 14 Jan 2010 01:36 Earl Evleth wrote: > > On 13/01/10 3:18, in article 4B4D2D8D.C4C51381(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde > {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > Too many immigrants can mean that the culture is changed. > > True, the current areas of the USA have changed immensely > in culture since 1400. The Anglo Saxons in invading England > brought English. Celtic culture was repressed almost totally > in the occupied territories. > > As the Hispanics grow in numbers in the USA to the point of become > a majority, that will change things. So, the wise will learn Spanish. > What you are saying is that the invaded need to allow the invasion. That's absurd. -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said.
From: Earl Evleth on 14 Jan 2010 03:41 On 14/01/10 7:36, in article 4B4EBB79.97C88179(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > What you are saying is that the invaded need to allow the invasion. I did not say that at all. What I do say is that if the invasion is major it will automatically bring change. You deplore immigration for some but have you ever commented on the invasion of the New World by Europeans, who bought death and enslavement to the people whose land they stole. And European descendents in the Americas show no shame for the behavior of their ancestors. No historical apology has come forth. The Hispanics will increase in numbers by both demographics and illegal entry. Change will eventually occur because of the chang in population mix. The major question is whether language will also change from English to Spanish?
From: Donna Evleth on 14 Jan 2010 07:01 > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to > those who come after us. > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:59:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid' > > > > Donna Evleth wrote: >> >>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" >>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to >>> those who come after us. >>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe >>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:21:08 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid' >>> >>> >>> >>> Donna Evleth wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" >>>>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave >>>>> to >>>>> those who come after us. >>>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe >>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:00:11 +0000 >>>>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more >>>>> thanNazisdid' >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Donna Evleth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colour me colourless)" >>>>>>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we >>>>>>> leave >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> those who come after us. >>>>>>> Newsgroups: >>>>>>> alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:02:05 +0000 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more than >>>>>>> Nazisdid' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Didn't you contest the claim that English words were disfavoured by >>>>>>> officialdom in the French idioma? If official documents must be "in >>>>>>> French", doesn't that substantially prove the original assertion >>>>>>> about the insular nature of the French and their Sprache? Which is >>>>>>> odd compared to people nearby on an island with the most open major >>>>>>> language in the world. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are people in the US who are screaming because election ballots and >>>>>> driver's license exams are in Spanish as well as English. The screamers >>>>>> want English only. >>>>>> >>>>> Because the language of the United States is English. You can speak >>>>> any languages you want, and there's nothing wrong with that, but >>>>> you should know the English. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Here is an excerpt from an article in the Seoul Times of January 12, 2010 >>>>>> on >>>>>> the subject: >>>>>> >>>>>> Adding ballots in languages other than English might increase the cost of >>>>>> printing election materials from 15 to 40 percent. Adding bilingual poll >>>>>> workers adds to the expense. >>>>>> >>>>> Is that even possible? Who knows what '2nd' language someone might >>>>> want? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Cost is a definite concern, but some people have other strong >>>>>> reservations. >>>>>> Some object to the very idea of ballots in languages other than English. >>>>>> Some people fear that voting in Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese, or whatever >>>>>> second language the law might require, will result in the beginning of a >>>>>> slippery rope which will Balkanize the country and lead it the same path >>>>>> as >>>>>> Canada into a possible break up. >>>>>> >>>>> Is that the same fear that the French feel? I take what the French >>>>> are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their >>>>> language. But you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of >>>>> anyone who might try to write or speak in French. I was told in >>>>> this very newsgroup to try to write in French because the poster >>>>> wanted a laugh. Apparently they couldn't find enough laughs in what >>>>> I write in English. >>>> >>>> You are telling me that I "don't have to go far to hear people make fun of >>>> anyone who might try to write or speak in French". >>>> >>> It's what French speakers do whenever someone tries to speak >>> French. >> >> No, they don't. >> > I just visited upon you an example from this very newsgroup. > > > >> I'm the one who lives in France, not you, so I know more >> about it than you do, having a much better opportunity to judge. >> > But you speak fluent French. Good grief! I'm talking about going on > holiday and stammering out a request for bonbons. > > > >>>> This is one of your more >>>> stupid remarks. The French love people who are not native francophones who >>>> make the effort to read and write in French. >>>> >>> Oh give me a break. >> >> No, you give me a break, from your tedious stereotyping. >> > Show me where the support is for people who wish to practice French > on the French. > > > > >>>> I am a living example. In >>>> December 2009 I had an article published in a prestigious French journal, >>>> Le >>>> Mouvement Social, in French. The reason I had an article published in this >>>> very prestigious journal is because those closely involved with the journal >>>> thought an article by me would be a good thing. One of the people who >>>> suggested this did not know me personally. He only knew my work, and >>>> respected it. >>>> >>> What does this have to do with what I was talking about? >> >> Bill, Bill, you are the one who said above: "Is that the same fear that the >> French feel? I take what the French >> are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their language. But >> you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of >> anyone who might try to write or speak in French." Have you forgotten your >> very own words? I was demonstrating French reactions to my writing in >> French. >> > BUT YOU ARE FREAKIN FRENCH! Not by birth. But I have been a French citizen for over 20 years. But never freakin Donna Evleth > > > > -- > "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually > said.
From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 14 Jan 2010 11:40
Earl Evleth wrote: > > On 14/01/10 7:36, in article 4B4EBB79.97C88179(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde > {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > What you are saying is that the invaded need to allow the invasion. > > I did not say that at all. > Since you cut what you said, readers are forced to wonder. > What I do say is that if the invasion > is major it will automatically bring change. > Do the invaded have a right to resist? The fact is that the US congress and president have essentially plenary power in restricting immigration. That they don't do a very good job of dealing with the influx doesn't change that. > You deplore immigration > for some but have you ever commented on the invasion of the New World > by Europeans, > I didn't deplore immigration. I understand why people from Mexico might want to come to America. But it's crazy to allow unlimited immigration from the 3rd world to 1st world nations when that will very likely change the culture and those who already live in that culture don't want such a change. People who immigrate should assimilate. Why should people who live in a largely peaceful 1st world nation have to put up with people who think that it's sensible to murder their own children if they date someone who isn't part of their religion? Why should people accept that a country that had one national language that people at least tried to learn enough to communicate with suddenly has many? > who bought death and enslavement to the people whose > land they stole. > Who said they owned it? The fact is that before there were countries, the "owner" of anything was the one with the most power. Now we have a world where the borders are defined, mostly. I notice you never complain when one Indian tribe took land from another. > And European descendents in the Americas show no shame for > the behavior of their ancestors. No historical apology has come forth. > Apologize for what? Why should Indians get all of North America? Why should the third influx of people from Asia, still "Indians", get any land when the other two influxes were already there? Isn't that stealing if the fourth influx, the one you complain about from Europe instead of Asia, was that? > The Hispanics will increase in numbers by both demographics and illegal > entry. Change will eventually occur because of the chang in population > mix. The major question is whether language will also change from English > to Spanish? > You might see that letting that happen would be foolish. -- "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually said. |