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From: Earl Evleth on 11 Jan 2010 01:22
On 10/01/10 20:03, in article 4B4A2479.EF1F8ABC(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde
{Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
<tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> That's terrible, Earl. If you aren't going to keep their file,
> don't claim you are going to keep it.

You don't throw it away but it falls into the bureaucratic oubliette

From: Donna Evleth on 12 Jan 2010 07:16


> From: "Bill Bonde {Colour me colourless)"
> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:02:05 +0000
> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more than Nazisdid'
>
> Didn't you contest the claim that English words were disfavoured by
> officialdom in the French idioma? If official documents must be "in
> French", doesn't that substantially prove the original assertion
> about the insular nature of the French and their Sprache? Which is
> odd compared to people nearby on an island with the most open major
> language in the world.

There are people in the US who are screaming because election ballots and
driver's license exams are in Spanish as well as English. The screamers
want English only.

Here is an excerpt from an article in the Seoul Times of January 12, 2010 on
the subject:

Adding ballots in languages other than English might increase the cost of
printing election materials from 15 to 40 percent. Adding bilingual poll
workers adds to the expense.

Cost is a definite concern, but some people have other strong reservations.
Some object to the very idea of ballots in languages other than English.
Some people fear that voting in Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese, or whatever
second language the law might require, will result in the beginning of a
slippery rope which will Balkanize the country and lead it the same path as
Canada into a possible break up.

Donna Evleth

From: Earl Evleth on 12 Jan 2010 07:43
On 12/01/10 13:16, in article C77226A5.856A4%devleth(a)wanadoo.fr, "Donna
Evleth" <devleth(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> There are people in the US who are screaming because election ballots and
> driver's license exams are in Spanish as well as English. The screamers
> want English only.

There is particular complaint about bilingual in California.
In fact bilingual education has been banned by constitutional amendment in
California.

What is different is that in France, many parents would like
their children to be bilingual, they seek out private schools which
have a bilingual program, send their kids off for summer
sessions in a foreign country. English is the preferred 2nd language.

The reason for a different attitude in comparison with the American
bias against bilingualism is that of "class". People have no
desire to learn the language of those they consider to be their
social and economic inferiors. So the English speaking bourgeoisie
does not want to learn Spanish, the language of the "wetbacks".
Nor does that bourgeoisie support the encouragement of bilingualism.
For the French bourgeoisie, the idea of a bilingual child is "g�nial"

Bill Bonde argumentatively destroyed once more, �galement g�nial


From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 12 Jan 2010 12:00


Donna Evleth wrote:
>
> > From: "Bill Bonde {Colour me colourless)"
> > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> > those who come after us.
> > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:02:05 +0000
> > Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more than Nazisdid'
> >
> > Didn't you contest the claim that English words were disfavoured by
> > officialdom in the French idioma? If official documents must be "in
> > French", doesn't that substantially prove the original assertion
> > about the insular nature of the French and their Sprache? Which is
> > odd compared to people nearby on an island with the most open major
> > language in the world.
>
> There are people in the US who are screaming because election ballots and
> driver's license exams are in Spanish as well as English. The screamers
> want English only.
>
Because the language of the United States is English. You can speak
any languages you want, and there's nothing wrong with that, but
you should know the English.




> Here is an excerpt from an article in the Seoul Times of January 12, 2010 on
> the subject:
>
> Adding ballots in languages other than English might increase the cost of
> printing election materials from 15 to 40 percent. Adding bilingual poll
> workers adds to the expense.
>
Is that even possible? Who knows what '2nd' language someone might
want?


> Cost is a definite concern, but some people have other strong reservations.
> Some object to the very idea of ballots in languages other than English.
> Some people fear that voting in Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese, or whatever
> second language the law might require, will result in the beginning of a
> slippery rope which will Balkanize the country and lead it the same path as
> Canada into a possible break up.
>
Is that the same fear that the French feel? I take what the French
are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their
language. But you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of
anyone who might try to write or speak in French. I was told in
this very newsgroup to try to write in French because the poster
wanted a laugh. Apparently they couldn't find enough laughs in what
I write in English.



--
"Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
said.
From: Earl Evleth on 12 Jan 2010 12:20
On 12/01/10 18:00, in article 4B4CAA9B.B2C8206E(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde
{Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
<tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Because the language of the United States is English. You can speak
> any languages you want, and there's nothing wrong with that, but
> you should know the English

Eventually "you" should know Spanish too in some regions. By 2050
only 46% of the USA will be no-Hispanic Whites and 30% Hispanics.

By 2050, the California population is projected at 52.14%
Hispanic, Whites at 26%.

States like New Mexico already have Hispanic populations approaching
50%.


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