From: Jim Ley on
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:26:39 +0200, "Terry Richards"
<terryr999(a)removethis.orange.fr> wrote:

>- most households that own a computer also own a car, possibly more than
>one.

Except you're ignoring a lot of things - children own a lot of
computers, then students own computers, but rarely cars. People
replace computers, and the old ones are not sold or thrown away, just
put in the cupboard or used by someone else, when they buy cars, they
tend to not keep the old ones.

>- add it up for a small sample - everybody you know, all members of your
>family. Try not to pick an obviously biased sample, "all members of the
>urban computer club" won't cut it.

So the house I'm staying in now (pretty average household, the people
work in a shop and are a builder, have 2 cars and a van on the drive,
and 4 computers inside - we're also importantly counting the
commercial vehicle here as a car, but not counting the computers in
offices, so I think it very unlikely in the UK to be what you
describe.

Anyway, it seems from actually looking at statistics, it would seem
that it's pretty close for "PC's" and "cars", so it's going to boil
down to debates about PDA's and Games consoles and if they are
computers - if they are, then the computers win.

Jim.
From: Jim Ley on
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:26:39 +0200, "Terry Richards"
<terryr999(a)removethis.orange.fr> wrote:

>- most households that own a computer also own a car, possibly more than
>one.

Except you're ignoring a lot of things - children own a lot of
computers, then students own computers, but rarely cars. People
replace computers, and the old ones are not sold or thrown away, just
put in the cupboard or used by someone else, when they buy cars, they
tend to not keep the old ones.

>- add it up for a small sample - everybody you know, all members of your
>family. Try not to pick an obviously biased sample, "all members of the
>urban computer club" won't cut it.

So the house I'm staying in now (pretty average household, the people
work in a shop and are a builder, have 2 cars and a van on the drive,
and 4 computers inside - we're also importantly counting the
commercial vehicle here as a car, but not counting the computers in
offices, so I think it very unlikely in the UK to be what you
describe.

Anyway, it seems from actually looking at statistics, it would seem
that it's pretty close for "PC's" and "cars", so it's going to boil
down to debates about PDA's and Games consoles and if they are
computers - if they are, then the computers win.

Jim.
From: Dave Frightens Me on
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:49:27 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dave Frightens Me writes:

>> Windows and Mac OS is all you are likely to ever see.
>
>Correction: Windows and Mac OS are all that anyone ever thinks of when
>someone says "computer." But there are many types of computers.

So you are saying they are all wrong.

A computer is what people consider a computer, whether you consider
the definition differently or not.
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From: Dave Frightens Me on
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:42:42 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Martin writes:
>
>> It depends if you consider an embedded microprocessor as a computer.
>
>Everyone in the computer industry does.

No they don't. If you say to someone in the computer industry "most
computers run Mac or Windows", they will know exactly what you mean.
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From: Dave Frightens Me on
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:51:06 GMT, jim(a)jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:43:26 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>Jim Ley writes:
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>>> Of course it is, designing the system so it cannot run untrusted code
>>> is absolutely virus protection, it was part of the design constraints.
>>
>>Running trusted code and actively protecting against viruses are two
>>different things.
>
>Nope, never running untrusted code is excellent virus protection.

Indeed. It's all part of the intrinsic design.
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