From: Dave Frightens Me on
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:05:11 GMT, jim(a)jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:26:39 +0200, "Terry Richards"
><terryr999(a)removethis.orange.fr> wrote:
>
>>- most households that own a computer also own a car, possibly more than
>>one.
>
>Except you're ignoring a lot of things - children own a lot of
>computers, then students own computers, but rarely cars. People
>replace computers, and the old ones are not sold or thrown away, just
>put in the cupboard or used by someone else, when they buy cars, they
>tend to not keep the old ones.

I think we all know this came down to the definition of what a
computer is.
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From: Terry Richards on

"Jim Ley" <jim(a)jibbering.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:26:39 +0200, "Terry Richards"
> <terryr999(a)removethis.orange.fr> wrote:
>
> >- most households that own a computer also own a car, possibly more than
> >one.
>
> Except you're ignoring a lot of things - children own a lot of
> computers,

Children count as part of the household.

> then students own computers, but rarely cars.

I owned a car (van actually) and two motorbikes (one racing, hence the van)
when I was a student. Too long ago to have computers but the equivalents
today would have.

> People
> replace computers, and the old ones are not sold or thrown away, just
> put in the cupboard or used by someone else, when they buy cars, they
> tend to not keep the old ones.

They generally sell them to somebody else. I wasn't considering over time
(just a snapshot) but cars probably have a longer average service life than
computers.

>
> >- add it up for a small sample - everybody you know, all members of your
> >family. Try not to pick an obviously biased sample, "all members of the
> >urban computer club" won't cut it.
>
> So the house I'm staying in now (pretty average household, the people
> work in a shop and are a builder, have 2 cars and a van on the drive,
> and 4 computers inside - we're also importantly counting the
> commercial vehicle here as a car, but not counting the computers in
> offices, so I think it very unlikely in the UK to be what you
> describe.
>

I suspect that 4 computers (I'm assuming you mean PCs) is probably on the
high end. But, even with that, if the cars are reasonably new you still have
more CPUs in cars than you do in PCs.

Now expand your sample a bit and include everybody you know on the same
street. I bet some of them have cars but no PC...

> Anyway, it seems from actually looking at statistics, it would seem
> that it's pretty close for "PC's" and "cars", so it's going to boil
> down to debates about PDA's and Games consoles and if they are
> computers - if they are, then the computers win.
>

The point I was responding to was "The great majority of computers worldwide
are general-purpose desktop computers." PDA's and Games consoles are
obviously not. Anyway, even if we get up to 50/50, it still doesn't get
anywhere near "The great majority".

> Jim.

Terry.


From: Terry Richards on

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Exactly. More than 99% of all computers are embedded computers. Even
> wristwatches contain computers today.

I suspect 99% is a little high but it's definitely the majority.

T.


From: Mxsmanic on
Dave Frightens Me writes:

> So you are saying they are all wrong.

Yes.

> A computer is what people consider a computer, whether you consider
> the definition differently or not.

If computer has no fixed definition, then questions about how common
antivirus programs are are moot.

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Terry Richards writes:

> I suspect 99% is a little high but it's definitely the majority.

Ninety-nine percent is the figure I've encountered in the literature.
If you count them all, it doesn't seem that implausible.

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